Minimum Angular Velocity Problem

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The problem involves a massless rope with a bob swinging in a vertical plane, focusing on calculating the minimum angular velocity required to keep the rope taut and determining the time taken for the bob to reach the top position from rest.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to calculate the minimum angular velocity using centripetal force equations and questions their approach for part (b), seeking clarification on the relationship between radians and revolutions.
  • Some participants question the understanding of radians in relation to revolutions and seek further clarification on the specific question posed in part (b).
  • Others suggest a potential relationship between the angular velocity and the given equation, exploring how to derive time from the angular velocity expression.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring various interpretations of the problem and attempting to clarify the relationships between the variables involved. Some guidance has been offered regarding the connection between angular velocity and time, but no consensus has been reached.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating potential misunderstandings regarding angular measurements and the implications of the problem setup, including the initial conditions of the bob's motion.

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First off, I want to apologize for posting more than one question. I just discovered this site, so I wanted to check my work while I am able to. Thank you again.

Homework Statement



A massless rope of length L = 1 m is swung in the vertical plane, with a bob of mass m = 1 kg attached to its end.

(a) Calculate the minimum angular velocity ωmin that the bob of must have to keep the rope taut at every point in the trajectory.

(b) Assume now that the bob starts from the lowest position (θ = 0) at rest, and the angular velocity follows

ω = 2 x t rad s-1

Calculate the time at which the bob reaches the top position.

Homework Equations



Fc = (m)(v2/R)

R = L

Fc = (m)(v2/L)

v = (L)(ω)

Fc = (m)((Lω)2/L)

Fc = (m)((L)2(ω)2/L)

Fc = (m)((L)(ω)2)

At the top of the circle:
(m)((L)(ω)2) = (m)(g)

((L)(ω)2) = (g)

ω = √(g/L)

The Attempt at a Solution



(a) ω = √(10/1)
ω = 3.16 rad/s

Did I go about doing this correctly?

(b) I wasn't quite sure on how to start this part. I know that 1 radian is half a revolution. Therefore, to reach the top from the bottom (half a revolution), the time it takes t would have to be how long it takes to go one radian. Plugging in .5 yields 1 in the equation given in part b, but I don't know if this is correct.
 
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1 radian does not equal half of one revolution.

∏ radians equals one half of one revolution.

Beyond that point, what exactly is the question in part b?
 
mic* said:
Beyond that point, what exactly is the question in part b?

Oh, sorry, I forgot to add it, it's there now.
 
Hmmm, I'm not the greatest with pendulum stuff.

Perhaps, since you know that;

2 x t rad s-1 = ω = √(g/L)

You might be able to get a result from that?
 
So perhaps;

2 x t rad/s = 3.16 rad/s
t = 1.58 seconds?

Does that make sense?
 

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