Mixture of Water & Kerosene: Vapor Pressure?

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The discussion revolves around the vapor pressure of a mixture of water and kerosene, exploring the effects of mixing these two liquids, the establishment of equilibrium, and the implications for vapor pressure in a closed system. Participants examine theoretical scenarios and the behavior of the components under various conditions, including temperature and pressure constraints.

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  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether the vapor pressure of the mixture is simply that of kerosene or an average of both liquids.
  • One participant describes a scenario where water vapor equilibrium is disturbed by the introduction of kerosene, suggesting that kerosene vapors would ultimately exist in the container.
  • Another participant proposes that mixing kerosene and water at room temperature may result in a negative change in entropy, citing the vapor pressures of both liquids.
  • Several participants assert that the equilibrium pressure will be the sum of the vapor pressures of water and kerosene, while others express skepticism about the ability of water to exert vapor pressure from beneath a layer of kerosene.
  • Concerns are raised about the feasibility of water molecules traveling through kerosene to exert vapor pressure, with one participant emphasizing the role of molecular diffusion.
  • A later reply discusses the implications of adding benzene to a saltwater solution, questioning the initial movement of water between two solutions with different vapor pressures.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of vapor pressure in the mixture, with some supporting the idea that it is the sum of the individual vapor pressures, while others challenge the mechanisms by which water can exert pressure from beneath kerosene. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing views present.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations regarding the assumptions made about solubility and equilibrium, as well as the dependence on specific conditions such as temperature and pressure. The discussion also highlights the complexity of interactions between the two liquids and their vapor phases.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those studying thermodynamics, phase equilibria, or the behavior of mixtures in chemical engineering and physical chemistry contexts.

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When we mix water and kerosene, what is the vapor pressure of the mixture? Is it just that of kerosene, or an average of vapor pressure of both liquids? (Kerosene floats on top of water which is why I felt like asking this question)
 
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Let us take a scenario.

Initially in a completely isolated close container. Water is kept (A significant amount) at 1 Atm, 273 K. Constant temperature, constant pressure, constant number of moles. And well the volume of the container is fixed.

Some amount of water evaporates and there is an equilibrium established between water vapor and the liquid water. Now, magically Kerosene is brought inside the closed container. Yes, it is to avoid the escaping of water vapor. (Though it should not affect the final result) If kerosene was added slowly. Now the water vapor and water liquid equilibrium is disturbed.

Because there is no pressure by the water applied on the water vapor. So equilibrium is disturbed and the water vapor condenses to form liquid water. Now, the liquid vapor will sink down after it is formed as it is denser than kerosene. Now even kerosene evaporates and the liquid and vapor phase of Kerosene establish an equilibrium between each other. So at the end, Kerosene vapors would exist. Now if suppose a group of highly energetic water even manages to escape the liquid water. It will condense back to liquid water and give its energy to the Kerosene molecules.

So at the end, we will end up with Kerosene Vapors in the container.

I think this would be the answer.

Best Wishes
 
So can it be concluded that by mixing kerosene and water at room temperature the change in entropy of the system is negative? (Vapor pressure of water is greater than vapor pressure of kerosene at 25 degree celsius)
 
Srijit Sen said:
When we mix water and kerosene, what is the vapor pressure of the mixture? Is it just that of kerosene, or an average of vapor pressure of both liquids? (Kerosene floats on top of water which is why I felt like asking this question)
The equilibrium pressure will be the sum of the vapor pressures of water and kerosene: http://www.separationprocesses.com/Distillation/DT_Chp01m.htm
 
I didn't know you could mix kerosene and water.
 
Chestermiller said:
The equilibrium pressure will be the sum of the vapor pressures of water and kerosene: http://www.separationprocesses.com/Distillation/DT_Chp01m.htm
Thanks for the answer Chestermiller. But I find it hard to believe that water can penetrate a liquid of lower density and then evaporate (establish equilibrium) to exert vapor pressure. How is this possible? Suppose I have 1 m of water on top of which i add 100 m of kerosene in a closed vessel of height 102 m. How can water molecules travel 100 m upward to exert pressure? I mean the surface is so so far away... (just keen to know what exactly happens)
 
Srijit Sen said:
Thanks for the answer Chestermiller. But I find it hard to believe that water can penetrate a liquid of lower density and then evaporate (establish equilibrium) to exert vapor pressure. How is this possible? Suppose I have 1 m of water on top of which i add 100 m of kerosene in a closed vessel of height 102 m. How can water molecules travel 100 m upward to exert pressure? I mean the surface is so so far away... (just keen to know what exactly happens)
The water is always going to have a small solubility in the kerosine. At equilibrium, the chemical potential of water in the underlying water phase, in the kerosine, and in the gas phase must all be equal. This guarantees that the partial pressure of the water in the gas phase is equal to the equilibrium vapor pressure.

The water molecules travel through the kerosine by molecular diffusion.

It doesn't matter how far away the surface is. That just determines how long it takes for the system to reach equilibrium. The molecules of water in the gas phase are exchanging with the molecules dissolved in the kerosine, and the molecules of water in the kerosene are also exchanging with the liquid water below.
 
Chestermiller said:
The water is always going to have a small solubility in the kerosine. At equilibrium, the chemical potential of water in the underlying water phase, in the kerosine, and in the gas phase must all be equal. This guarantees that the partial pressure of the water in the gas phase is equal to the equilibrium vapor pressure.

The water molecules travel through the kerosine by molecular diffusion.

It doesn't matter how far away the surface is. That just determines how long it takes for the system to reach equilibrium. The molecules of water in the gas phase are exchanging with the molecules dissolved in the kerosene, and the molecules of water in the kerosene are also exchanging with the liquid water below.

Thanks a lot, this makes sense somewhat. Now suppose i have an osmosis set up. In one side I have salt water (0.5 M NaCl in 1L water) and on the other side I have 1L of pure water. To the side having salt water I add benzene. According to what I have studied, vapor pressure of salt water is slightly lesser than that of pure water. But now having added benzene to salt water vapor pressure of salt water + benzene > water according to data provided by you earlier (Experiment conducted at 100 degree F). What will the initial movement of water be? From pure water to salt water or from salt water to pure water (the normal case).
 
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When you increase the ionic strength of the water, you will effectively reduce the solubility of benzene in the salt water. Ksp is already very small for hydrocarbons in water and vice versa.
 

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