MO Theory & OH: Bond Order & Nonbonding Electrons

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The discussion revolves around molecular orbital (MO) theory as it pertains to the bond order and nonbonding electrons in the hydroxyl ion (OH) and its ionized form (OH+). Participants explore the roles of different atomic orbitals in bonding and the energy considerations involved in removing electrons from these orbitals.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question why the 2px and 2py electrons do not affect the bond order, suggesting these orbitals are non-bonding and do not participate in bonding.
  • There is a suggestion that the removal of a nonbonding electron from OH to form OH+ is due to energy considerations, where electrons from higher energy orbitals are removed first.
  • One participant proposes that the 2s orbital, being a nonbonding orbital, has the lowest energy and thus is the easiest to remove an electron from.
  • Another participant raises the question of whether all valence electrons are used in bonding when creating molecular orbitals, specifically in the context of NO+.
  • It is noted that the number of molecular orbitals must match the number of atomic orbitals, and that some molecular orbitals can be non-bonding, as seen in carbonyl groups.
  • Participants discuss the analogy of energy required to remove electrons from different energy levels, comparing it to lifting objects to different heights.
  • There is a question about the relative energies of the nonbonding px and py orbitals compared to the bonding sigma orbital formed from the pz and H 1s orbitals.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty regarding the specific roles of different orbitals in bonding and the energy dynamics involved in electron removal. Multiple competing views remain on the nature of bonding and nonbonding orbitals, as well as the implications for bond order and electron removal.

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There are unresolved questions regarding the definitions of bonding and nonbonding orbitals, as well as the specific energy levels of the orbitals involved. The discussion also touches on the technical aspects of molecular orbital theory without reaching a consensus on certain points.

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Homework Statement
Assume that the MOs result from the overlap of a pz orbital from oxygen and the 1s orbital of hydrogen (the O-H bond lies along the z-axis). Only the 2p orbitals of oxygen interact significantly with the 1s orbital of hydrogen. The MO diagram is shown below.
a) Estimate the bond order for OH.
b) Predict whether the bond order of OH+ is greater than, less than, or the same as that of OH.
Relevant Equations
MO diagram
bond order = (# of bonding electrons – # of antibonding electrons) / 2
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a) The solution says that there are 2 bonding electrons and that the 2px and 2py electrons have no effect on the bond order. I don't understand why this is case.

b) Why is it that, to form OH+, specifically a nonbonding electron is removed from OH, not a bonding electron?

Thank you.
 
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a) You’ve been given that the bonding MO is formed from the interaction between the H 1s orbital and the O 2pz. This means that the px and py orbitals on O don’t participate in bonding. These are usually called “non-bonding orbitals,” in contrast to bonding and antibonding orbitals.

b) Hint: the y-axis of the MO diagram is energy.
 
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TeethWhitener said:
b) Hint: the y-axis of the MO diagram is energy.
Is it that the 2s orbital (nonbonding orbital) has the lowest energy, so an electron from there is easiest to remove?
 
Also, if all valence electrons were used to create the molecular orbital (e.g. for
NO+), does that mean that all valence electrons are used in bonding (the 2s, and two 2p orbitals)?
 
Electrons are removed from the highest energy orbitals first. This is because it takes energy to remove an electron, so it would take more energy to remove a lower energy electron than a higher energy one. This is exactly analogous to the fact that it takes more energy to lift something from the ground to the top of a roof than it goes to lift something from one inch below the roof to the top. In the former case, the potential energy is initially lower than in the latter case, but the change in potential energy from the initial state to the final state is much larger.
 
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jolly_math said:
Also, if all valence electrons were used to create the molecular orbital (e.g. for
NO+), does that mean that all valence electrons are used in bonding (the 2s, and two 2p orbitals)?
Not necessarily. The number of molecular orbitals must match the number of atomic orbitals (this is a technicality resulting from the fact that the AO to MO transformation is a change of basis). Sometimes the resulting molecular orbitals are non-bonding. This happens, for instance, in carbonyl groups and is a major defining feature of their visible light spectroscopy.

For NO+ specifically, you have a system which is isoelectronic to N2, so all the valence electrons will be in bonding orbitals.
 
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TeethWhitener said:
Electrons are removed from the highest energy orbitals first. This is because it takes energy to remove an electron, so it would take more energy to remove a lower energy electron than a higher energy one. This is exactly analogous to the fact that it takes more energy to lift something from the ground to the top of a roof than it goes to lift something from one inch below the roof to the top. In the former case, the potential energy is initially lower than in the latter case, but the change in potential energy from the initial state to the final state is much larger.
That makes sense now, so an electron from the 2px or 2py orbitals would be removed? Why wouldn't an electron from pz be removed, would nonbonding electrons be easier to remove? Thank you.
 
jolly_math said:
That makes sense now, so an electron from the 2px or 2py orbitals would be removed? Why wouldn't an electron from pz be removed, would nonbonding electrons be easier to remove? Thank you.
The vertical direction on the MO diagram is energy. Which is higher in energy, the px and py non bonding orbitals, or the bonding sigma orbital formed from the pz and the H1s?
 

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