Model Rocket Launch: Impulse, Max Height, and Descent Explained

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The discussion revolves around a model rocket problem involving impulse, acceleration, maximum height, and descent. The rocket, with a mass of 0.250 kg, is launched vertically with an engine providing a total impulse of 20 N.s over 2 seconds. Participants are analyzing the acceleration during the engine firing, the maximum height reached, and the time taken to reach that height.

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  • Participants explore the relationship between impulse and acceleration, with some using kinematic equations to derive results. Questions arise regarding the appropriateness of using impulse versus straightforward kinematics. There is also a focus on verifying calculations for maximum height and time to reach that height.

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Some participants have provided alternative calculations and interpretations, leading to differing results for maximum height and time. There is an ongoing effort to identify discrepancies in the calculations, particularly in parts B and C of the problem. While some guidance has been offered, there is no explicit consensus on the correct answers.

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Participants are working under the constraints of a homework assignment, with some referencing feedback from a physics teacher regarding the correctness of their answers. The discussion includes questioning the assumptions made in the calculations and the definitions of terms used in the problem.

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can some one just check my work please

Homework Statement



model rocket of mass .250 kg is launched vertically with an engine that is ignited at time= 0, the engine provides 20 N.s impulse by firing for 2 sec . upon reaching its maximum height the rocket deploys a parachute and then desends vertically to the ground.


a) find acceleration during the 2sec firing
b) what will be the max height
c) at what time after t=0 will the max height be reached

Homework Equations



impulse or change in momentum = F x t ... sumFy = ma = F*engine* - F *gravity* or mg
change in y = v inital x t + 1/2 a t^2

The Attempt at a Solution



using first equation---> F t = change p ---> F 2 = 20 --> F= 10 N
then second equation F *motor* = ma + mg ---> after you solve for F*motor that is *
10=(.250)a+(.25)(9.81)----> a= 30.19 m/s^2

that was for part A of the question and for part C

i found velocity using p=mv final - mv inital ---> 20= (.25)v -0 since it starts from rest ----> velocity = 80 m/s

then i used the equation Vf^2 = V init ^2 + 2 a change y ----> 6400= 2(30.19) change y , since v init was 0 it cancels ----> and got change in y = 105.995 m

for D

i used the formula: delta y =( velocity init ) ( time) + 1/2 (acceleration ) (time^2) ---> 105.995= 1/2 (30.19) (time^2) since velocity init was 0 that part cancels ----> t= 2.65 s, and it would make sense because its after 2 s




thanks in advance!
 
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robair said:

Homework Statement



model rocket of mass .250 kg is launched vertically with an engine that is ignited at time= 0, the engine provides 20 N.s impulse by firing for 2 sec . upon reaching its maximum height the rocket deploys a parachute and then desends vertically to the ground.

...

Homework Equations



impulse or change in momentum = F x t ... sumFy = ma = F*engine* - F *gravity* or mg
change in y = v inital x t + 1/2 a t^2

The Attempt at a Solution



using first equation---> F t = change p ---> F 2 = 20 --> F= 10 N
then second equation F *motor* = ma + mg ---> after you solve for F*motor that is *
10=(.250)a+(.25)(9.81)----> a= 30.19 m/s^2

...

Why are you using impulse? This looks to be a straight-forward kinematics question, you should just use your Newtonian kinematics equations:

<br /> y=v_{y0}t+\frac{1}{2}a_yt^2<br />

<br /> v_{yf}^2=v_{y0}^2+2a_y(y-y_0)<br />

<br /> v_{yf}=v_{y0}+a_yt<br />
 


well because in the question it gives you impulse...
 


robair said:
well because in the question it gives you impulse...

Right...seemed to have skipped over that word.

So

<br /> \mathbf{F}_{eng}\Delta t=\Delta p\rightarrow \mathbf{F}_{eng}=10 \mathrm{N}<br />

I agree here. But I get

<br /> \sum\mathbf{F}=\mathbf{F}_{eng}-\mathbf{F}_{grav}=m\mathbf{a}\rightarrow \mathbf{a}=\frac{1}{m}\left(\mathbf{F}_{eng}-\mathbf{F}_{grav}\right)=\frac{1}{0.25}\left(10-9.8\right)=0.8 \mathrm{m/s^2}<br />
 


well i actually asked my physics teacher and he said i got A right so acceleration is 30.2 but i got B and C wrong... he gave me the right answers for B (246m) and C (8.15s) so the thing right now is to figure out what i did wrong in B and C
 


robair said:
well i actually asked my physics teacher and he said i got A right so acceleration is 30.2 but i got B and C wrong... he gave me the right answers for B (246m) and C (8.15s) so the thing right now is to figure out what i did wrong in B and C

Hmm...I get different answers than your teacher, particularly on the time part.

This is how I went about solving it:
The height of the rocket immediately after the engine burns out is given by

<br /> y_b=at^2=(30.2)(2)^2=120.8\,\mathrm{m}<br />

The velocity at this point is given by

<br /> v_b=v_0+at=0+30.2\cdot2=60.4\,\mathrm{m/s}<br />

So at the end of the engine burn, the rocket has total energy

<br /> E=K+U=\frac{1}{2}mv_b^2+mgy_b=752\,\mathrm{J}<br />

At the maximum height, the particle has zero velocity but through the conservation of energy, it has the same energy:

<br /> E=U=mgy_{max}=752\rightarrow y_{max}=307\,\mathrm{m}<br />

The total time of this is then given by

<br /> y_{max}=at^2\rightarrow t=\sqrt{\frac{y_{max}}{a}}= \sqrt{\frac{307}{30.2}}=3.2\,\mathrm{s}<br />

Even using your teacher's result of 246 m for y_{max} gives me a value of 2.85 s; however if you forget to take the square root of this number, you do get 8.15 (that is, if you say t=y_{max}/a=246/30.2=8.15[/itex], but this is not correct).
 

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