Model Treybuchet Arm: Moment of Inertia & DEs

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around modeling the arm of a trebuchet, specifically focusing on deriving an equation for the arm's acceleration at the point of object release. Participants explore the concept of moment of inertia in relation to the arm and the weight used for potential energy, as well as the potential need for differential equations in the mathematical setup.

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  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks to derive an equation for the acceleration of the trebuchet arm at the moment of object release, questioning the role of moments of inertia and the necessity of differential equations for the setup.
  • Another participant suggests using the parallel axis theorem to break down the moment of inertia into multiple parts, assuming the arm can be divided into simpler shapes.
  • A participant expresses unfamiliarity with the parallel axis theorem but appreciates the information provided.
  • Further clarification is offered on the parallel axis theorem, explaining how to calculate the moment of inertia about different axes and the importance of considering the centroid of the components involved.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about their understanding of the topic and suggests seeking advice from someone more knowledgeable.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best approach to modeling the trebuchet arm, and multiple viewpoints regarding the use of the parallel axis theorem and differential equations are present.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge limitations in their understanding of the parallel axis theorem and the dynamics involved in the problem, indicating that their knowledge may not be comprehensive.

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I am trying to model a treybuchet arm. What I'm looking to achieve is an equation that shows the acceleration of the arm where the object is released. I have been looking into moments of inertia for the arm itself but I get stuck considering that there is a heavy weight used as Pot energy to get the arm to swing. Deriving a moment of inertia equation for a pole is easier with equally distributed math. For that do I need differential Equations? Any help with the mathematical setup is appreciated.

If it is indeed differential equations does anyone know a good book or link that goes over using DEs in models. I have taken a class but you mostly just learn how to solve them, not how to set them up.

thanks
 
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As far as the moment of inertia goes, you should be able to break it up into multiple parts by using the parallel axis theorem (assuming that you can break it up into relatively simple shapes).

I can't really help you much with the dynamics portion, considering I barely passed that class last semester. >_<
 
I never heard of the parallel axis theorem. Thanks for the help.
 
No problem. The parallel axis theorem allows you to calculate the moment of inertia about any axis. If you take the moment of inertia of each component (in this case it would most likely be the arm and the weight) about the object's centroid you can then calculate the object's moment of inertia about the centroid. From there, I believe you can use the same calculations to find the moment about another axis.

You may want advice from someone a little more studied in the subject, because it's still kind of blurry to me. We only went over 2-3 problems involving the parallel axis theorem this semester and I didn't exactly pass that class with flying colors.
 

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