Modern Birds came from Non-Arboreal Chicxulub Survivors

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The discussion centers on a recent paper proposing that modern birds evolved from non-arboreal birds that survived the Chicxulub impact, which led to the extinction of arboreal species due to the devastation of forest habitats. The scope includes evolutionary biology, paleontology, and the implications of the end-Cretaceous mass extinction.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants highlight that the paper suggests all modern birds are derived from non-arboreal birds that survived the Chicxulub impact.
  • Concerns are raised regarding the resolution of palynological data used to support claims about the timing of ecological changes during the end-Cretaceous extinction.
  • Participants discuss the existence of distinct sediment layers related to the impact, which include iridium and other materials, and their implications for understanding the event's timing.
  • There is a clarification that palynology refers specifically to pollen layers, distinguishing it from paleontology.
  • Varves are mentioned as evidence of historical environmental changes, with references to their preservation in sedimentary rock.

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Participants express skepticism about the resolution of the palynological data and the implications of the findings, indicating that multiple competing views remain regarding the interpretations of the data and the conclusions drawn in the paper.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include uncertainties about the accuracy of the palynological data and the assumptions underlying the interpretations of sediment layers related to the Chicxulub impact.

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Here is a new paper (open access) on the origins of modern birds.
Birds evolved from dinosaurs and are the only survivors of the dinosaurs, which went extinct after the Chicxulub impact devastated ecology worldwide.
Trees were wiped out so arboreal birds lost their environment and went extinct.
All modern birds were derived from non-arboreal birds that survived the Chicxulub impact.

Paper Highlights:
  • The end-Cretaceous mass extinction devastated forest habitats globally
  • Tree-dwelling birds failed to persist across the end-Cretaceous extinction event
  • All bird groups that survived the end-Cretaceous extinction were non-arboreal
  • The early ancestors of many modern tree-dwelling bird groups were ground-dwelling
 
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Thousand year resolution on a 65-70 Ma event? The palynological data?
 
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There are areas with very good time resolution for sediments due to rapid deposition resulting in thick layers per time.
They also have a very distinct layer (with world wide distribution) of a variety of material directly related to the impact, such as iridium and solidified micro-droplets of melted rock from the impact.

A few years ago, I read about how someone figured out which season the impact occurred in based on these layers and the pollen or spores or somethin like that in China.

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The palynological data?
Is this the same as paleontological?
 
BillTre said:
same as paleontological?
"Palyn" equals pollen layers/layering.
 
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OK thanks for informing me!
 
@BillTre have look at varves - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varve They are preserved (when fossilized) as evidence of glaciers and vegetation changes (annual pollen deposits from fairly old formations of sedimentary rock) The picture on the page shows Pleistocene varves.

They also are found in modern deposits.
 
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Here is a Science magazine news article on this publication.
 
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