Modern Physics, Mech, or ElectroMag?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around course selection for a first semester student who is considering taking Introduction to Modern Physics, Mechanics 1, and Electromagnetism 1. Participants explore the implications of choosing different combinations of these courses, including their content and prerequisites.

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  • Conceptual clarification
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that Modern Physics is typically taken concurrently or before Mechanics and Electromagnetism, while others question this sequence.
  • One participant asks about the content of the Modern Physics course, specifically whether it includes special relativity, and suggests that taking it before E&M could be beneficial.
  • Another participant notes that the OP has a solid math background, having completed calculus and differential equations, which may influence their course choices.
  • There is a discussion about the intensity of the Mechanics course, with questions about whether it is similar to previous physics courses or more advanced.
  • Participants inquire about the textbook used for the Mechanics course, confirming it is "Classical Mechanics" by Taylor.
  • One participant emphasizes that the math involved in Mechanics and E&M is comparable, suggesting that the choice should depend on the OP's interests rather than perceived difficulty.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus on the optimal course sequence or the necessity of prior coursework in classical mechanics before taking Modern Physics. Multiple viewpoints exist regarding the appropriateness of the course selections and their content.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various academic backgrounds and course structures, indicating that experiences may vary significantly by institution.

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I have three courses to choose from, pick two. They are Introduction to Modern Physics, Mechanics 1, and Electromagnetism 1. Which should I choose? I have picked Modern Physics and Mechanics 1, but I almost want to do Mechanics 1 and Electromagnetism 1, but since it's my first semester at the school.

Thanks.
 
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Won't you be taking all three eventually anyway?

Anyway, I think at most schools modern physics I is taken concurrently or before mechanics I or e&m I (assuming that for you modern physics I == physics III). Maybe someone can back me up on this.
 
Dishsoap said:
Anyway, I think at most schools modern physics I is taken concurrently or before mechanics I or e&m I (assuming that for you modern physics I == physics III). Maybe someone can back me up on this.

At my school, modern physics--physics III--is taken at the same time as classical mechanics, with EM coming the next semester.
 
Dishsoap said:
Won't you be taking all three eventually anyway?

Anyway, I think at most schools modern physics I is taken concurrently or before mechanics I or e&m I (assuming that for you modern physics I == physics III). Maybe someone can back me up on this.

Did you mean after? Might be a good idea to edit the post to make what you're trying to say make sense. :pTo the OP, what does your modern physics class cover? Is it SR and other such things? If so taking it before E&M is a good idea. What is your math background? Surely they aren't letting you do E&M with studying vector calculus first.
 
Student100 said:
To the OP, what does your modern physics class cover? Is it SR and other such things? If so taking it before E&M is a good idea. What is your math background? Surely they aren't letting you do E&M with studying vector calculus first.
Waves, relativity, physics on atomic/subatomic level, statistical physics.
I have done the calc sequence and diffy q.
 
WestofX said:
Waves, relativity, physics on atomic/subatomic level, statistical physics.
I have done the calc sequence and diffy q.

Okay, so you're further along than most freshmen, at least here in the US. Yes, do mechanics and modern if you're set on doing two physics classes. Study in E&M could benefit from the modern physics course(SR in particular). Are you enrolled in Linear Algebra this semester or have you done the intro class already?
 
Student100 said:
Did you mean after? Might be a good idea to edit the post to make what you're trying to say make sense. :p

No... at least at my school, physics III is usually taken at the same time or before mechanics I and E&M I. I don't think that this is abnormal...
 
Student100 said:
Okay, so you're further along than most freshmen, at least here in the US. Yes, do mechanics and modern if you're set on doing two physics classes. Study in E&M could benefit from the modern physics course(SR in particular).Are you enrolled in Linear Algebra this semester or have you done the intro class already?

Sorry, I wasn't clear before. I am a transfer student. It's my first semester at *this* school. I was at a CC now I am at a university for my upper division. I will be doing a sets and logic course for this semester then linear algebra (mandated sequence).

I'll do the modern and mechanics one then. Mechanics looks like an extended treatment of physics 2. Is it along those lines work wise or is it way more intense? Thanks.
 
Which textbook does the mechanics course use?
 
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jtbell said:
Which textbook does the mechanics course use?

Title: CLASSICAL MECHANICS
Author: TAYLOR
Edition: 2005
ISBN: 9781891389221
 
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So this is an upper division classical mechanics class? Did you already have a classical mechanics class on the level of Kleppner?
 
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When the OP says E&M 1 and Mechanics 1 he most likely means the courses at the Junior/Senior Level, since he can't be taking Modern Physics without the Physics 1&2 at the Freshman/Sophomore Level.

WestofX said:
I have three courses to choose from, pick two. They are Introduction to Modern Physics, Mechanics 1, and Electromagnetism 1. Which should I choose? I have picked Modern Physics and Mechanics 1, but I almost want to do Mechanics 1 and Electromagnetism 1, but since it's my first semester at the school.

Thanks.

The math in Mechanics and E&M are basically the same; one is not worse or better than the other when combined with Modern Physics in one semester. Though it would be beneficial to have seen Classical Mechanics before you study Quantum Mechanics (which I assume you'll take next year), it really isn't a hard and fast requirement and I would just pick the one you're most interested in learning at the moment.
 

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