Modifying an equation to plot a straight line.

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The discussion revolves around modifying the equation N/N0 = e^(-ux) to plot a straight line. This equation relates to the fraction of radiation absorbed by a material, where N0 represents the number of incident photons, N is the number of transmitted photons, u is the absorption coefficient, and x is the thickness of the absorber.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to graph ln(N/N0) versus x and expresses uncertainty about their approach. They suggest that ln(N/N0) could represent the y-value and x the thickness. Some participants question whether the plot yields a straight line and discuss the implications of not having data to verify the equation.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring the relationship between the variables and the expected outcome of the plot. Some guidance has been offered regarding the logarithmic nature of the plot and the potential to use hypothetical values for u and N0 to visualize the relationship. There is an acknowledgment of the need for further exploration before conducting an experiment.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted constraint regarding the lack of data to test the equation prior to experimentation, which raises questions about the assumptions made in the absence of empirical verification.

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Homework Statement


Show all the steps required to modify the equation so that the plot yields a straight line.
N/N0=[itex]e\[/itex]-ux

This equation demonstrates the fraction radiation absorbed by a material, where "N0" is the number of incident photons from the radioactive source without any absorbed introduced, "N" is the number of transmitted photons, "u" is the absorption coefficient of the absorber (units m-1) and x is the thickness of the absorber.

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The Attempt at a Solution


Subsequently I am instructed to graph lnN/N0 vs "x". Therefore I am assuming N/N0 will be my "y" value in the equation of the line, whereas "x" (the thickness) will be my "x" value. I tried something along these lines, but have no idea if I am even in the ballpark.

N/N0=e-ux
lnN/N0=-ux

That seems to give me lnN/N0 as "y", -u as "m", x as "x" and 0 as "b". Please give me some thoughts. Thank you.
 
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Well, do you get a straight line when you plot it? If you do, you're done.
 
The problem is that I have no data to plug into the equation and verify it because this is a question that I need to have answered before we do the experiment.
 
thatguythere said:

Homework Statement


Show all the steps required to modify the equation so that the plot yields a straight line.
N/N0=[itex]e\[/itex]-ux

This equation demonstrates the fraction radiation absorbed by a material, where "N0" is the number of incident photons from the radioactive source without any absorbed introduced, "N" is the number of transmitted photons, "u" is the absorption coefficient of the absorber (units m-1) and x is the thickness of the absorber.

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The Attempt at a Solution


Subsequently I am instructed to graph lnN/N0 vs "x". Therefore I am assuming N/N0 will be my "y" value in the equation of the line, whereas "x" (the thickness) will be my "x" value. I tried something along these lines, but have no idea if I am even in the ballpark.

N/N0=e-ux
lnN/N0=-ux

That seems to give me lnN/N0 as "y", -u as "m", x as "x" and 0 as "b". Please give me some thoughts. Thank you.

It is all right, but you have to write N/N0 in parentheses.

ln(N/N0)=-ux

ehild
 
thatguythere said:
The problem is that I have no data to plug into the equation and verify it because this is a question that I need to have answered before we do the experiment.
Just let x run from 0 to the total thickness.
 
tms said:
Just let x run from 0 to the total thickness.
That's not a bad suggestion. Just plug into Excel or other graphing program, and look at the graph. You'd need to make numbers up for u and N0, but it would show whether you can expect a straight line.

ehild said:
It is all right, but you have to write N/N0 in parentheses.

ln(N/N0)=-ux

ehild
Exactly.
 
Redbelly98 said:
That's not a bad suggestion. Just plug into Excel or other graphing program, and look at the graph. You'd need to make numbers up for u and N0, but it would show whether you can expect a straight line.
In my universe, all constants equal 1.
 
thatguythere said:
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That seems to give me lnN/N0 as "y", -u as "m", x as "x" and 0 as "b". Please give me some thoughts. Thank you.

That sounds good. This is what is called a logarithmic plot (or a log-linear plot, to indicate that one of the axes is logarithmic and the other is just linear). An exponential function such as the one you have for N, will become a straight line in such a plot. This is particularly useful since for a relatively small range of x, the y-values usually go through a wide range of values and taking the logarithm keeps it all a bit more easily viewable.

Note that you can also use the property ln(a/b) = ln(a) - ln(b) to rewrite the equation to
ln(N) = - u x + ln(N0)
in which case you will get a log-linear plot for N and your starting value "b" will be the initial value N0 (although on your logarithmic y-axis, you will actually plot ln(N0).

[edit]Here is another example of a log-plot:
Puck1956.jpg

Note how equal distances on the y-axis correspond to multiplications instead of additions, in other words, they've plotted the log10 of the actual quantity.

(Googled it from http://www.eyephysics.com/tdf/models.htm)
 

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