Modular forms- definition of a cusp

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The discussion revolves around the definition of a cusp in the context of modular forms and the fundamental domain for SL2(Z). Participants explore the nature of cusps, particularly in relation to congruence subgroups and the properties of group actions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the point ##t= e^{\pm\frac{2\pi}{3}}## could be considered a cusp, contrasting it with the definition that identifies only the cusp at infinity for SL2(Z).
  • Another participant suggests that a cusp is defined as an orbit in \mathbb{P}^1(\mathbb{Q}), noting that SL(2,\mathbb{Z}) acts transitively on this space, resulting in only one cusp, while congruence subgroups have more due to non-transitive actions.
  • A participant expresses confusion regarding the closure property of the group ##\Gamma_0(N)## and its implications for transitivity, questioning the existence of an equivalence relation if transitivity does not hold.
  • Another participant asserts that ##\Gamma_0(N)## is indeed a subgroup of SL2(Z) and suggests checking closure directly.
  • There is a discussion about the requirements for proving transitivity in group actions, with one participant arguing that closure and associativity are sufficient, while another clarifies that a transitive group action implies a single orbit, which is distinct from a transitive relation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the definition and implications of cusps, the properties of the group ##\Gamma_0(N)##, and the nature of transitivity in group actions. No consensus is reached on these points.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight potential limitations in understanding the closure property and its role in defining equivalence relations within the context of congruence subgroups.

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this is probably a stupid question but for the fundamental domain for SL2(Z), we say the cusp is only at infinity.

Compare say to hecke subgroups which are congruence subgroups where we say the equivalence classes are given by the points where the fundamental domain intercepts the real axis as well as infinity.

Definition of a cusp :
A pointed end where two curves meet.

So my stupid question is, the fundamental domain for sl2(z), isn't ##t= e^{\pm\frac{2\pi}{3}}## such a point ? Isn't this a cusp ?Thanks
 
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It's been a while since I've looked at this (which is unfortunate considering my choice of avatar), but I think that in this context, a cusp is an orbit in [itex]\mathbb{P}^1(\mathbb{Q})[/itex]. Since [itex]SL(2,\mathbb{Z})[/itex] acts transitively on [itex]\mathbb{P}^1(\mathbb{Q})[/itex], there is only one cusp, but the action isn't transitive for the congruence subgroups, so there are more cusps.
 
Infrared said:
It's been a while since I've looked at this (which is unfortunate considering my choice of avatar), but I think that in this context, a cusp is an orbit in [itex]\mathbb{P}^1(\mathbb{Q})[/itex]. Since [itex]SL(2,\mathbb{Z})[/itex] acts transitively on [itex]\mathbb{P}^1(\mathbb{Q})[/itex], there is only one cusp, but the action isn't transitive for the congruence subgroups, so there are more cusps.
Hey thank you for your reply.
I am a bit confused however.
First of, I can see that transitivity will fail if closure does not hold. To me it is not obvious that if ##a \in \Gamma_0 (N) ## and ##b \in \Gamma_0 (N) ## then ## a.b ## is also... whereas for sl2(z) closure is clear.

From what I can see, all the group properties are involved, at some point, in proving the three criteria of the equivalence relation, and, identity, inverse and associtivity will clearly still hold as we go from ## SL2(Z) \to \Gamma_0(N) ##, the only one I would be unsure of would be closure, which will mean transitivity does not hold.

However if this is the case :
1) what is the definition of ##\Gamma_0(N) ## equivalence if transitivity does not hold, by definition there is no equivalence relation ? Whereas my notes say we still have a notion of ##\Gamma_0(N) ## equivakence ...

2) without..erm...closure, the definition of the Hecke subgroup being a subgroup is also not true

Ta
 
Fortunately [itex]\Gamma_0(N)[/itex] is a subgroup of [itex]SL_2(\mathbb{Z})[/itex]. You can just check closure directly.
 
Infrared said:
Fortunately [itex]\Gamma_0(N)[/itex] is a subgroup of [itex]SL_2(\mathbb{Z})[/itex]. You can just check closure directly.
But closure and associtivity are all that are needed to prove transitivty ?
 
Suppose a group [itex]G[/itex] acts on a set [itex]X[/itex]. Consider the relation [itex]\sim[/itex] on [itex]X[/itex] defined by [itex]x\sim y[/itex] if there exists [itex]g\in G[/itex] such that [itex]g\cdot x=y[/itex]. This is an equivalence relation.

I recommend reviewing some of this group theory before studying modular forms.
 
Infrared said:
Suppose a group [itex]G[/itex] acts on a set [itex]X[/itex]. Consider the relation [itex]\sim[/itex] on [itex]X[/itex] defined by [itex]x\sim y[/itex] if there exists [itex]g\in G[/itex] such that [itex]g\cdot x=y[/itex]. This is an equivalence relation.

I recommend reviewing some of this group theory before studying modular forms.
huh? I know this.
And any equivalence relation is transitive, reflexive and symmetric. Where transitory says if a is equivalent to b, and b to c, then a must be equivalent to c.

You said transitivity no longer holds. I attempted a proof of this and it only used closure and associtivity. You said closure still holds, so I don't understand why transitivity fails.
 
A transitive group action is one in which there is exactly one orbit. This is not the same thing as a transitive relation.
 

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