Molecular formula of combustion?

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The discussion revolves around determining the molecular formula and true molar mass of a compound composed of carbon, hydrogen, and oxygen based on the products of its complete combustion. The context includes calculations related to empirical formulas and the conservation of mass in chemical reactions.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a problem involving the combustion of a compound, providing specific masses of CO2 and H2O produced.
  • Another participant suggests searching for information on finding empirical formulas as a starting point.
  • A participant confirms the masses of the combustion products and discusses how to calculate moles using molar masses, but expresses confusion regarding the conservation of mass, questioning how the mass of the products exceeds the initial mass of the compound.
  • There is a reiteration of the conservation of mass concern, emphasizing the need for clarity in writing and attention to detail in calculations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express confusion regarding the conservation of mass in the context of the problem, indicating a lack of consensus on how to reconcile the given data with this principle.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights potential misunderstandings related to the conservation of mass and the calculations necessary to derive the empirical formula, but does not resolve these issues.

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complete combustion of 1.1g of a compound of C,H and O gives 2.2g of CO2 and 0.9g of H2O.
The compound has a relative molar mass close to 130.
Find the molecular formula and true molar mass?

dont even no where to begin
 
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so you got the masses of the products right? 2.2g for CO2 and 0.9g for H2O.

you knowthe molar masses of those elements by looking at the periodic table

for example, the moalr mass of CO2 is (approximately because of rounding)= 12+16+16=44g/moldo the same thing to get the molar mass of H2O (hydrogen is 1) to get the H2O moles

what has me confused though is that it doesn't appear to obbey the conservation of mass law, how can you have 1.1g of something and get 2.2g+0.9g of something else?maybe I am just reading wrong...

then divide the mass of the substances by the molar massses, to get number of moles, so 2.2/44=0.05 moles of CO2
 
stonecoldgen said:
what has me confused though is that it doesn't appear to obbey the conservation of mass law, how can you have 1.1g of something and get 2.2g+0.9g of something else?


maybe I am just reading wrong...

Combustion means there is a source of oxygen.

Please pay attention to what and how you write, don't ignore capital letters and watch for typos.
 

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