Molecular Hamiltonian: H-Nucleus and Electron Interactions for H2 Molecule

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The discussion centers around the formulation of the Molecular Hamiltonian for hydrogen nuclei and electrons, particularly in the context of the H2 molecule. Participants explore the differences between the full Molecular Hamiltonian and the Coulomb Hamiltonian, as well as the implications of relativistic corrections such as spin-orbit coupling.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about the specific formulation of the full Molecular Hamiltonian for a hydrogen nucleus and electron or H2 molecule.
  • Others suggest that the full Molecular Hamiltonian is rarely used, with the Coulomb Hamiltonian being more common, and propose that relativistic corrections like spin-orbit coupling are added instead.
  • A participant questions whether there is truly a "full" Molecular Hamiltonian, proposing that the Dirac equation should be used to account for all relativistic effects.
  • One participant discusses the nature of spin-orbit coupling, clarifying that while it arises from relativistic effects, spin itself is an intrinsic property of the electron and not solely a relativistic phenomenon.
  • A detailed Hamiltonian expression is provided, including terms for mass energy, kinetic energy, Coulomb potential, relativistic corrections, spin-orbit coupling, and additional terms for more complex systems.
  • There is mention of the complexity introduced in the Hamiltonian for molecules and multi-electron atoms due to additional interactions like spin-spin interactions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity and formulation of the full Molecular Hamiltonian versus the Coulomb Hamiltonian, as well as the role of relativistic corrections. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the optimal approach to represent these interactions.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the potential missing assumptions regarding the applicability of the Dirac equation and the specific conditions under which relativistic effects are considered small. The discussion also highlights the complexity of interactions in multi-electron systems.

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Wikipedia distinguishes between the full "Molecular Hamiltonian" and the "Coulomb Hamiltonian" with which you solve the Schrödinger equation here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molecular_Hamiltonian.

how is full molecular Hamiltonian written for a H nucleus and electron or H2 molecule?
 
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OmniReader said:
how is full molecular Hamiltonian written for a H nucleus and electron or H2 molecule?
You usually do not use the full molecular Hamiltonian, but add relativistic corrections, such as spin-orbit coupling, to the Coulomb Hamiltonian.

Actually, I'm not sure that would be such a thing as the "full" molecular Hamiltonian. You would use the Dirac instead of the Scrhödinger equation to get all relativistic effects to be taken into account.
 
If you see the Hamiltonian specified on page 3 here: http://www.phys.ubbcluj.ro/~vchis/cursuri/cspm/course2.pdf

What would I add to that to make it as exact as we know how to make it? That is, if relativistic corrections are reasonably easy to make. Spin-orbit coupling is a purely relativistic effect?
 
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Big-Daddy said:
ISpin-orbit coupling is a purely relativistic effect?
No, I was a bit clumsy in my phrasing. In constructing a relativistic theory for the electron, which Dirac did, you end up needing spin to construct an equation that is Lorentz-invarient. But spin is not in itself a relativistic phenomenon, but an instrinsic property of the electron.

If you start from the Dirac equation for one electron and assume that relativistic effects are small, you can obtain a series expansion in terms of ##v/c## that you can use as corrective terms (or perturbation) in the Hamiltonian for the hydrogen atom. Spin-orbit coupling is one of those terms. Actually, you get (assuming a fixed nucleus)
$$
\hat{H} = m_e c^2 + \frac{\hat{P}^2}{2m_e} + V(R) - \frac{\hat{P}^4}{8 m_e^3 c^2} + \frac{1}{2 m_e^2 c^2} \frac{1}{R} \frac{d V(R)}{dR} \hat{L} \cdot \hat{S} + \frac{\hbar^2}{8 m_e^2 c^2} \Delta V(R) + \ldots
$$
The terms are in order: (1) mass energy of the electron; (2) kinetic energy of the electron; (3) Coulomb potential; (4) relativistic correction to the momentum; (5) spin-orbit coupling; (6) Darwin term (due to the Compton wavelength of the electron).

Note that the interaction between the spin of the electron and the spin of the nucleus is not included here, but can be added as an additional term.

Big-Daddy said:
If you see the Hamiltonian specified on page 3 here: http://www.phys.ubbcluj.ro/~vchis/cursuri/cspm/course2.pdf

What would I add to that to make it as exact as we know how to make it?
For molecules (and for atoms with more than one electron), things are more complicated. You have additional terms due to spin-spin interactions between electrons.
 

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