Moment and reaction of shaft - Statically Indeterminate

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the analysis of a statically indeterminate shaft supported by three ball bearings, subjected to external forces and loads. Participants are attempting to derive the reactions and moment equations for the shaft, considering bending loads, torsion loads, and the effects of the pulley. The scope includes theoretical and mathematical reasoning related to structural mechanics.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant outlines a method for calculating reactions and moment equations using static equilibrium equations, but expresses uncertainty about the correctness of their moment equation due to the presence of bending and torsion loads.
  • Another participant suggests that the torsion load should not affect the bearing reactions if the shaft is free to rotate in the bearings, and emphasizes the need to consider transverse loads, including the weight of the shaft as a distributed load.
  • A later reply corrects the moment equation provided by the original poster, indicating a different formulation and suggesting the use of singularity functions for further analysis.
  • Participants discuss the nature of the shaft as a continuous beam, noting that the equations of static equilibrium alone are insufficient to determine the reactions at the supports.
  • One participant requests resources for studying continuous beams, indicating a lack of familiarity with the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus on the correct approach to derive the moment equations and reactions. Participants express differing views on the impact of torsion on bearing reactions and the appropriate methods for analyzing continuous beams.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of the problem due to the statically indeterminate nature of the shaft and the need for additional techniques beyond basic static equilibrium to resolve the reactions and deflections.

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A shaft of diameter 10 inch is supported by 3 ball bearings. An external force (F, given) from pulley (diameter not given) also acts on the shaft. The supports are subjected to bending load (moment and transverse shear) and torsion load due to pulley. Yield Stress at Tension given. Assume no axial load. I need to calculate the reactions and moment equation for the shaft.

My approach:
  • Statically Indeterminate
(1) ∑Fy = 0 = Ra + Rb + Rc -F
(2) ∑Mc (CCW +) = 0 = 5F-6Ra-3Rb
Solve (2) for Rb and Plug it in (1)

To write a moment equation, I make a cut between Rb and Rc
Summing the moment at the Cut (o)
∑Mo = 0 = -Ra(x) -Rb (x-2) + F(x-1) + M = 0
(3) M = Ra(x) + Rb(x-2) - F(x-1)

After this I can calculate the reactions using deflection method (singularity equation).

However, I am not sure that my moment equation is correct. Since the problem states that the shaft is subjected to bending load and torsion load at the ball bearings, do I have to account for these in my moment equation? If so, how?
 
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Tekneek said:
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A shaft of diameter 10 inch is supported by 3 ball bearings. An external force (F, given) from pulley (diameter not given) also acts on the shaft. The supports are subjected to bending load (moment and transverse shear) and torsion load due to pulley. Yield Stress at Tension given. Assume no axial load. I need to calculate the reactions and moment equation for the shaft.

My approach:
  • Statically Indeterminate
(1) ∑Fy = 0 = Ra + Rb + Rc -F
(2) ∑Mc (CCW +) = 0 = 5F-6Ra-3Rb
Solve (2) for Rb and Plug it in (1)

To write a moment equation, I make a cut between Rb and Rc
Summing the moment at the Cut (o)
∑Mo = 0 = -Ra(x) -Rb (x-2) + F(x-1) + M = 0
(3) M = Ra(x) + Rb(x-2) - F(x-1)

After this I can calculate the reactions using deflection method (singularity equation).

However, I am not sure that my moment equation is correct. Since the problem states that the shaft is subjected to bending load and torsion load at the ball bearings, do I have to account for these in my moment equation? If so, how?

Assuming the shaft is free to rotate in the ball bearings, the torsion load should not affect the bearing reactions.

It's not clear to me how you have derived your moment equations. Are there some lengths of shaft segments which are not included in this thread?

In any event, the bearing reactions are produced only by the transverse loading of the shaft. There is a concentrated load due to the tension on the pulley (F), and I think you want to include the weight of the shaft as a distributed load, since the shaft is 10 inches in diameter. Once these transverse loads are figured, there are several different techniques which can be used to calculate the bearing reactions, including singularity functions.
 
SteamKing said:
Assuming the shaft is free to rotate in the ball bearings, the torsion load should not affect the bearing reactions.

It's not clear to me how you have derived your moment equations. Are there some lengths of shaft segments which are not included in this thread?

In any event, the bearing reactions are produced only by the transverse loading of the shaft. There is a concentrated load due to the tension on the pulley (F), and I think you want to include the weight of the shaft as a distributed load, since the shaft is 10 inches in diameter. Once these transverse loads are figured, there are several different techniques which can be used to calculate the bearing reactions, including singularity functions.

Sorry, that was my fault.
∑Mo = 0 = -Ra(x) -Rb (x-3) + F(x-1) + M = 0
(3) M = Ra(x) + Rb(x-3) - F(x-1)

Using singularity function

dy/dx = 1/EI [ (Ra(x-0)^2 )/2 + (Rb(x-3)^2)/2 - (F(x-1)^2)/2 + C1 ]
y(x) = 1/EI [ (Ra(x-0)^3 )/6 + (Rb(x-3)^3)/6 - (F(x-1)^3)/6 + C1x + C2 ]

Applying Boundary Condition

@x=0, dy/dx = 0 --> C1 = 0

@x=3, y(0) = 0 --> 0 = 4.5Ra - 267 + C2
@x=3, dy/dx = 0 --> 0 = 13.5Ra - 400 --> Ra = 29.62

Then using Ra I can find C2, then using that information I can find Rb and finally Rc. Am I correct so far?

 
Tekneek said:
Sorry, that was my fault.
∑Mo = 0 = -Ra(x) -Rb (x-3) + F(x-1) + M = 0
(3) M = Ra(x) + Rb(x-3) - F(x-1)

Using singularity function

dy/dx = 1/EI [ (Ra(x-0)^2 )/2 + (Rb(x-3)^2)/2 - (F(x-1)^2)/2 + C1 ]
y(x) = 1/EI [ (Ra(x-0)^3 )/6 + (Rb(x-3)^3)/6 - (F(x-1)^3)/6 + C1x + C2 ]

Applying Boundary Condition

@x=0, dy/dx = 0 --> C1 = 0

@x=3, y(0) = 0 --> 0 = 4.5Ra - 267 + C2
@x=3, dy/dx = 0 --> 0 = 13.5Ra - 400 --> Ra = 29.62

Then using Ra I can find C2, then using that information I can find Rb and finally Rc. Am I correct so far?
No, that's not how this works.

Your shaft is a continuous beam, since it rests on more than two supports. As a continuous beam, the equations of static equilibrium are insufficient to determine the reactions in the supports. Without figuring out the reactions first, you don't have enough equations to determine the integration constants for the slope and deflection of the shaft.

Have you studied anything about continuous beams and how to calculate the reactions at the supports?
 
SteamKing said:
No, that's not how this works.

Your shaft is a continuous beam, since it rests on more than two supports. As a continuous beam, the equations of static equilibrium are insufficient to determine the reactions in the supports. Without figuring out the reactions first, you don't have enough equations to determine the integration constants for the slope and deflection of the shaft.

Have you studied anything about continuous beams and how to calculate the reactions at the supports?
Not exactly sure. If you could link me to something I could look up that would be helpful.
 
Tekneek said:
Not exactly sure. If you could link me to something I could look up that would be helpful.
Google "continuous beam" and you'll get enough hits to keep you busy into next week.
 

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