Moment of Inertia about an axis at the center of mass

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The discussion revolves around calculating the moment of inertia of a composite object consisting of a uniform rod and a uniform sphere, specifically about an axis at the center of mass of the object. The original poster has provided specific dimensions and masses for both components and has calculated the center of mass but is uncertain about the subsequent steps to find the moment of inertia.

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of the moment of inertia using the parallel axis theorem and the relevant equations for both the rod and the sphere. There are questions about the interpretation of diagrams and the implications of certain symbols used in the problem statement.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering suggestions for symbolic representation and sequential reasoning. Some have expressed confusion about specific aspects of the problem, while others have provided clarifications and guidance on how to approach the calculations.

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There are indications of uncertainty regarding the definitions and implications of certain terms and symbols in the problem, as well as the need for clarity in restating the problem. The original poster has noted a lack of confidence in their understanding of the theoretical concepts involved.

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Homework Statement


3.) What is the moment of inertia of the object about an axis at the center of mass of the object? (Note: the center of mass can be calculated to be located at a point halfway between the center of the sphere and the left edge of the sphere.)

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mass of rod = 7.31kg
length of rod = 5.68m
radius of sphere = 1.42
mass of sphere = 36.55kg
1.) I about axis at left end of rod = 1960.4kg-m^2
2.) angular acceleration w/ 498N exerted perpendicular to center of rod = .72rad/s^2

Homework Equations


I = 2/5mr^2, I = 1/12ml^2, I = Icm + Md^2 (?)

The Attempt at a Solution



I've calculated the centre of mass, which ended up being about 6.4m, however, I am completely at a loss as to how I should approach the rest of the question. I'd really appreciate a bit of in depth help on this one! [/B]
 
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Could you please restate the whole question, clearly? I'm not sure what's going on here.
 
AlephNumbers said:
Could you please restate the whole question, clearly? I'm not sure what's going on here.
An object is formed by attaching a uniform, thin rod with a mass of mr = 7.31 kg and length L = 5.68 m to a uniform sphere with mass ms = 36.55 kg and radius R = 1.42 m. Note ms = 5mr and L = 4R.

https://www.smartphysics.com/Content/smartPhysics/Media/Images/Mechanics/15/momentofinertia1new.png

1)

What is the moment of inertia of the object about an axis at the left end of the rod?

A: 1960.4kg-m^2

2)

If the object is fixed at the left end of the rod, what is the angular acceleration if a force F = 498 N is exerted perpendicular to the rod at the center of the rod?

A: .72rad/s^2

3)

What is the moment of inertia of the object about an axis at the center of mass of the object? (Note: the center of mass can be calculated to be located at a point halfway between the center of the sphere and the left edge of the sphere.)

https://www.smartphysics.com/Content/smartPhysics/Media/Images/Mechanics/15/momentofinertia2new.png

A: ?, this is where I'm beginning to get lost, I'm not sure how to approach this part of the question at all

I calculated the CM like so -> Xcm = [(mr)(L/2) + (ms)(L+R)]/(mr + ms) = 6.4m, but can't conjure up any ideas for the rest of the question, I've tried various applications of the parallel axis theorem and so on, but not confidently, I don't have a solid idea about how moment of inertia about the centre of mass, or a body such as this works. What do the arrows and dotted lines imply? I understand that MOI determines the amount of torque needed to angularly accelerate an object, but I just don't understand all of the theoretical workings behind it.
 
JesseJC said:
I am completely at a loss as to how I should approach the rest of the question.
You have quoted the three equations you need.
To keep it readable, please work symbolically ( r = radius, l = rod length, etc.; use two different symbols for the masses).
In terms of those symbols, try to answer these questions in sequence:
What is the moment of inertia of the rod about its mass centre?
How far is the rod's mass centre from the rotation axis?
What is the moment of inertia of the rod about the rotation axis?
Then the same questions for the sphere.
 
My post crossed with yours.
JesseJC said:
What do the arrows and dotted lines imply?
It isn't completely clear from the wording, but I believe the dashed line indicates the rotation axis. No idea what the arrow is for.
 
What is the moment of inertia of the rod about its mass centre? 1/12ml^2
How far is the rod's mass centre from the rotation axis? CM - l/2 or 6.4 - 2.84 = 3.56m
What is the moment of inertia of the rod about the rotation axis? 1/12m(CM - l/2)^2 ?

What is the moment of inertia of the sphere about its mass centre? 2/5Mr^2
How far is the sphere's mass centre from the rotation axis? r/2 ?
What is the moment of inertia of the sphere about the rotation axis? 2/5M(r/2)^2 ?

Let me know where I went wrong, I'm not confident in the answers followed by question marks.
 
JesseJC said:
What is the moment of inertia of the rod about the rotation axis? 1/12m(CM - l/2)^2 ?
No. As you posted in the OP
JesseJC said:
I = Icm + md2
You have correctly calculated Icm here as 1/12ml2.
d is the distance from the mass centre to the rotation axis.
 
ok, so the MOI with respect to the rod is 1/12ml^2 + md^2 ---> 1/12(7.31)(5.68)^2 + (7.31)(3.56)^2 --> 112.3kg-m^2

and for the sphere; 2/5mr^2 + md^2 ---> 2/5(36.55)(1.42)^2 + (36.55)(.71)^2 --> 47.9kg-m^2, correct?
 
JesseJC said:
ok, so the MOI with respect to the rod is 1/12ml^2 + md^2 ---> 1/12(7.31)(5.68)^2 + (7.31)(3.56)^2 --> 112.3kg-m^2

and for the sphere; 2/5mr^2 + md^2 ---> 2/5(36.55)(1.42)^2 + (36.55)(.71)^2 --> 47.9kg-m^2, correct?
Yes.
 

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