Moment of inertia calculation, factor of radius out?

[PhyStan7]

Homework Statement

Ok i have the following problem. There is a pulley with radius 7.5 cm and 2 forces acting on it (2 tensions of a string) acting in opposite directions either side. One is 18.2N, the other 7.5N. I know the acceleration is 3.75 meteres per second squared.

Find the moment of inertia.

Homework Equations

Change in torque = Ia

The Attempt at a Solution

Ok so the torque of each individual force is r x F (F being the force and r the radius in meters). As the forces are acting perpendicular, the torque of each force is rF.

So i thought the total torque is τ = r(18.2-7.5) = Ia.

So i thought the moment of inertia would equal would equal...

I = [r(18.2-7.5)]/a

However my answer seems to be a factor of r out, i.e the equation [(r^2)(18.2-7.5)]/a sems to yield the correct answer.

Why is this? I do not undersdtand where the extra r comes from which it is multiplied by.

Thanks

 

[ehild]

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Homework Equations

Change in torque = Ia

What is a?

ehild

 

[PhyStan7]

Sorry a is acceleration

 

[karkas]

Is it perhaps that the forces are implemented in this way? (picture added)

Because then you would have to add the tensions on the pulley, meaning it's going to be:

t_1+t_2 = a I <=> F_1 R + F_2 R = R (F_1+F_2) = I a, then check if the result is correct.

 

[karkas]

Actually, I just noticed. You do have the acceleration of the points where the forces are applied on the string, because the units are meters/second*second. That means that the pulley is actually turning with a rotational acceleration a_{rotation} = \frac{a}{R}. If you substitute that in the second law for rotational motion you will get the result you want.

 

[PhyStan7]

Ah i think i understand. So the a in the Ia part of the equation refers to angular acceleration but what i had was the linar acceleration (the situation is one weight hanging off a table and the other being pulled along the table, both are moving with acceleration 3.75). I still do not really understand how dividing by the radius gives the angular acceleration though.

Thanks

 

[karkas]

Ah i think i understand. So the a in the Ia part of the equation refers to angular acceleration but what i had was the linar acceleration (the situation is one weight hanging off a table and the other being pulled along the table, both are moving with acceleration 3.75). I still do not really understand how dividing by the radius gives the angular acceleration though.

Thanks

Yes exactly. The following a_{center-mass}=a_{angular}*R belongs to the theory of my school Physics book. In this situation, you can proove something like it since the string isn't sliding on the pulley. The proof is the following:

Consider a small change of the angle during the angular motion of the pullet d\theta. The string has moved a distance ds and since s=\theta R we have ds=d(\theta R)=R d\theta

By definition, we have \omega=\frac{d\theta}{dt} and u=\frac{ds}{dt},so

\frac{ds}{dt}=\frac{d\theta}{dt} R \Leftrightarrow a = a_{angular} R by differentiating.

I hope I've done everything right :)