Moment of inertia of a bar with two spheres

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The problem involves calculating the moment of inertia of a dumbbell consisting of two spheres and a connecting bar. The spheres have a specified radius and mass, while the bar has its own mass and length. The moment of inertia is to be calculated about an axis perpendicular to the bar's center of mass.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of the parallel axis theorem and the moment of inertia formulas for both spheres and the bar. There are attempts to clarify the setup of the problem and the correct factors in the moment of inertia equations.

Discussion Status

Some participants express uncertainty about the phrasing of the axis of rotation and the correctness of the moment of inertia formulas. There is an ongoing exploration of the calculations, with one participant confirming their approach as correct based on the axis of rotation provided.

Contextual Notes

There are noted discrepancies in the understanding of the moment of inertia factors, particularly for the bar, and confusion regarding the distance calculations in the context of the parallel axis theorem.

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Homework Statement


A dumbbell has two spheres of radius 0.10m and mass 10kg (each). The two spheres are connected using a bar with length 1.0m and mass 12kg.
What is the moment of inertia of the dumbbell about an axis perpendicular to an axis at the bar's center of mass?
Moment of inertia of a sphere through its center of mass: \frac{2}{5}MR^{2}
Moment of inertia of a bar through its center of mass: \frac{2}{12}ML^{2}

The Attempt at a Solution


I tried the following:
(sphere) Ip = Icm + Md^{2} <=> Ip = \frac{2}{5} MR^{2} + M(\frac{L}{2} + R)^2 <=> Ip = \frac{7}{5} M R^{2} + M\frac{L^{2}}{4}
(bar) I = \frac{2}{12} ML^{2}

Then I multiplied Ip by 2 and sum I (of the bar). Itotal = 2Ip + I

But the value I am getting is wrong. What I am doing wrong?
 
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Hello.

I'm not sure I understand the phrase "about an axis perpendicular to an axis at the bar's center".

But I did note a couple of things.

##(\frac{L}{2} + R)^2 \neq \frac{L^2}{4}+R^2##

Are you sure the moment of inertia of a rod has a factor of 2/12?
 
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Instead of writing equations off the cuff as it were, set up the problem in an organized manner.

Code:
Item      Mass      C.O.M.     Moment   M*Dist^2    MMOI
                    Dist.

Sphere 1   10        0.55        5.5       3.03     (2/5)MR^2
Sphere 2   10       -0.55       -5.5       3.03     (2/5)MR^2
Bar        12         0.0        0.0       0.0      ML^2/12
----------------------------------------------------------
Totals

Add up the totals for each column and use the Parallel Axis Theorem
To find the MMOI for the bar bell.
 
TSny said:
Hello.

I'm not sure I understand the phrase "about an axis perpendicular to an axis at the bar's center".

But I did note a couple of things.

##(\frac{L}{2} + R)^2 \neq \frac{L^2}{4}+R^2##

Are you sure the moment of inertia of a rod has a factor of 2/12?
Oops.. The factor is 1/12 and I was thinking in (L*R)^{2} instead of (L+R)^{2}

So, trying again I've got the right result but am I doing it right?

I did this:

(sphere) Ip = Icm + Md^{2} <=> Ip = \frac{2}{5} MR^{2} + M(\frac{L}{2} + R)^2 <=> Ip = \frac{2}{5} M R^{2} + M(\frac{L^{2}}{4}+2\frac{LR}{2}+R^{2})
(bar) I = \frac{1}{12} ML^{2}

Then plugged in the values of each, multiplied I of sphere by two and did a sum of I of bar and I of sphere. Is this correct?
 
TSny said:
Hello.

I'm not sure I understand the phrase "about an axis perpendicular to an axis at the bar's center".

But I did note a couple of things.

##(\frac{L}{2} + R)^2 \neq \frac{L^2}{4}+R^2##

Are you sure the moment of inertia of a rod has a factor of 2/12?
Oops.. The factor is 1/12 and I was thinking in (L*R)^{2} instead of (L+R)^{2}

So, trying again I've got the right result but am I doing it right?

I did this:

(sphere) Ip = Icm + Md^{2} <=> Ip = \frac{2}{5} MR^{2} + M(\frac{L}{2} + R)^2 <=> Ip = \frac{2}{5} M R^{2} + M(\frac{L^{2}}{4}+2\frac{LR}{2}+R^{2})
(bar) I = \frac{1}{12} ML^{2}

Then plugged in the values of each, multiplied I of sphere by two and did a sum of I of bar and I of sphere. Is this correct?
 
Yes, that looks correct assuming the axis of rotation is as shown.

I would probably not bother to expand out the ##(\frac{L}{2}+R)^2##, but just leave it as ##I_p = \frac{2}{5} MR^{2} + M(\frac{L}{2} + R)^2##. The expression is more compact that way and it will be easier to evaluate numerically.
 

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The axis of rotation is as you shown. Thank you!
 

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