Momentum Conservation in a Swapping Chair Scenario in a Spacecraft

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving momentum conservation in a spacecraft scenario where two individuals, John and Julie, swap seats. The problem raises questions about the movement of the spacecraft and the center of mass during this exchange, emphasizing the principles of momentum and center of mass.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the implications of momentum conservation and the center of mass, questioning why the spacecraft does not move after the seat swap and how far it moves during the process. There is an attempt to understand the relationship between the weights of John and Julie and the movement of the center of mass.

Discussion Status

Some participants express confusion regarding the problem's wording and the implications of the center of mass. There is acknowledgment that the spacecraft does move during the seat swap but remains stationary once the individuals are seated. Guidance is offered to consider the scenario in terms of a sled on ice to clarify the concept of the center of mass.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the challenge of interpreting the problem due to its framing and the requirement to apply momentum principles alongside the center of mass approach. There is an indication of missing clarity on how to formally answer the questions posed.

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Momentum in a spacecraft , please help!

Homework Statement


John (90kg) and Julie (60kg) are in a spacecraft (50kg). They swap chairs, which are 4m apart, located equal distances from the Centre of Mass of the spacecraft .

Questions: Why does the spacecraft NOT move after they take their seats?
How far does the spacecraft move? Which way?

All observations are in the frame in which the spacecraft was initially stationary.

Homework Equations



I don't know which equations to use, the question also says that they hope we attempt to answer this question using momentum principles as well as the centre of mass approach.

The Attempt at a Solution



The only thing i have is that the CM should initially be 1.6 meters from John.

This question was especially confusing as they ask why the spacecraft doesn't move, and then where it moves to... It seems to make no sense, all i can think of is this: The centre of mass moves when the people swap seats. It's always going to be closer to John than to Julie in the spacecraft because he is heavier. If we use the CM as our frame of reference, the spacecraft will appear to move in the opposite direction that the centre of mass does while the CM will not appear to move at all.
 
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Hi nugget! Welcome to PF! :smile:
nugget said:
John (90kg) and Julie (60kg) are in a spacecraft (50kg). They swap chairs, which are 4m apart, located equal distances from the Centre of Mass of the spacecraft .

Questions: Why does the spacecraft NOT move after they take their seats?
How far does the spacecraft move? Which way?

This question was especially confusing as they ask why the spacecraft doesn't move, and then where it moves to... It seems to make no sense …

Yes, it's a really confusing question …

I had to read it three times before I saw what it was getting at :frown:

it's saying that the spacecraft does move while they change seats, but is stationary once they sit down again :wink:
 


Actually, I find the reference to a " spacecraft " confusing since I started imagining it in orbit. Think, instead, of two people sitting on a sled on ice. The center of mass of the system must stay stationary since there is no external force. Calculate the center of mass both before and after they change seats. While they are changing seats the sled moves so that the center of the mass moves from one place to the other.
 


thanks guys, that's helped the question make a lot more sense :)

Still don't know quite how to answer the question using momentum principles...
 

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