Momentum density in curvilinear coordinates

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The discussion revolves around the equation for momentum density in curvilinear coordinates, specifically the inclusion of the term ##\sqrt{g}## in the expression ##M_i = \sqrt{g} \rho v_i##. Participants explore the theoretical underpinnings of this equation as it relates to fluid dynamics and the transformation of volume elements in different coordinate systems.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the necessity of the ##\sqrt{g}## term in the momentum density equation, suggesting that both densities should relate to the same volume form.
  • Another participant provides a detailed explanation of the transformation of volume elements, introducing the Levi-Civita symbol and discussing the Jacobian of the transformation between generalized and Cartesian coordinates.
  • This participant asserts that the volume element must include the determinant of the transformation matrix to ensure proper transformation, leading to the conclusion that the volume element can be expressed as ##\mathrm{d}^3 \vec{x} = \sqrt{g} \Delta_{j'k'l'} \mathrm{d} \tilde{x}^{j'} \mathrm{d} \tilde{x}^{k'} \mathrm{d} \tilde{x}^{l'}##.
  • A later reply identifies a potential typing error in the equations presented, emphasizing the correct form of the mass element and the relationship to momentum density.
  • This participant reiterates the definition of momentum density in terms of the corrected equations, suggesting that the expression for ##M_i## follows logically from the definitions provided.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the necessity of the ##\sqrt{g}## term, as the initial question remains open and the discussion includes corrections and clarifications without resolving the underlying query.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved aspects regarding the assumptions made about the positivity of the determinant and the orientation of the basis vectors, as well as the implications of the Levi-Civita symbol not being a general tensor.

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Hi,

In an article on theoretical fluid dynamics I recently came across the following equation:

$$M_i = \sqrt{g} \rho v_i$$

where ##M_i## denotes momentum density, ##v_i## velocity, ##\rho## the mass density and g is the determinant of the metric tensor. It is probably quite obvious, but I do not get why you have to put the ##\sqrt{g}## in there. Aren't both densities related to the same volume form? I would appreciate any help!
 
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Let ##\vec{b}_i## (##i \in \{1,2,3 \}##) denote any basis of ##\mathbb{R}^3## (it can also be a basis defined locally by generalized coordinates) and ##\vec{e}_i## arbitrary Cartesian coordinates. Further define the coordinates of the position vector as
$$\vec{x}=\tilde{x}^i \vec{b}_i=x^j \vec{e}_j.$$
Now we need a manifestly covariant description of the volume element. In Cartesian coordinates we simply have
$$\mathrm{d}V=\mathrm{d}^3 \vec{x}=\mathrm{d} x^1 \mathrm{d} x^2 \mathrm{d} x^3.$$
The trick is to rewrite this as
$$\mathrm{d}^3 \vec{x}=\Delta_{jkl} \mathrm{d} x^j \mathrm{d} x^k \mathrm{d} x^l,$$
where ##\Delta_{jkl}## is the Levi-Civita symbol, which is totally antisymmetric under interchange of its indices and ##\Delta_{123}=1##.

Unfortunately the Levi-Civita symbol is not a general tensor, because defining the transformation matrix between the general and the Cartesial coordinates as
$${T^j}_k=\frac{\partial x^j}{\partial \tilde{x}_k}$$
we have
$$\mathrm{d}^3 \vec{x}=\Delta_{jkl} {T^{j}}_{j'} {T^{k}}_{k'} {T^{l}}_{l'} \mathrm{d} \tilde{x}^{j'} \mathrm{d} \tilde{x}^{k'} \mathrm{d} \tilde{x}^{l'}=\det \hat{T} \mathrm{d} \Delta_{j'k'l'} \tilde{x}^{j'} \mathrm{d} \tilde{x}^{k'} \mathrm{d} \tilde{x}^{l'},$$
i.e., you get the Jacobian of the transformation in addition, as it must be for the proper transformation of the volume element. I assume that this determinant is positive (i.e., that the orientation of the basis ##\vec{b}_j## is the same as that of the Cartesian basis ##\vec{e}_j##, which you can always get by choosing the right order of the basis vectors).

Now we have a Euclidean space, i.e., there is the scalar product. In Cartesian components it's simply represented by ##\delta_{jk}##, i.e., you have for any two vectors ##\vec{x}## and ##\vec{y}##
$$\vec{x} \cdot \vec{y} = \delta_{jk} x^j y^k=\delta_{jk} {T^{j}}_{j'} {T^{k}}_{k'} \tilde{x}^j \tilde{y}^k := g_{j'k'} \tilde{x}^j \tilde{y}^k.$$
In matrix-vector notation you thus have
$$\hat{g}=\hat{T}^t \hat{T} \; \Rightarrow g=\det{\hat{g}}=(\det \hat{T})^2.$$
So you can write the volume element as
$$\mathrm{d}^3 \vec{x}=\det T \Delta_{j'k'l'} \mathrm{d} \tilde{x}^{j'} \mathrm{d} \tilde{x}^{k'} \mathrm{d} \tilde{x}^{l'} = \sqrt{g} \Delta_{j'k'l'} \mathrm{d} \tilde{x}^{j'} \mathrm{d} \tilde{x}^{k'} \mathrm{d} \tilde{x}^{l'}.$$
Since for Cartesian coordinates ##g_{jk}=\delta_{jk}## we can define the Levi-Civita tensor components as an invariant tensor via
$$\epsilon_{jkl}=\sqrt{g} \Delta_{jkl}.$$
Then the general covariant definition of the volume element in terms of the position-vector components reads
$$\mathrm{d}^3 \vec{x} =\epsilon_{jkl} \mathrm{d} \tilde{x}^j \mathrm{d} \tilde{x}^k \mathrm{d} \tilde{x}^l.$$
Now if you have a scalar density (like mass density ##\rho(\vec{x})## in non-relativistic fluid dynamics), a mass element in a small volume around ##\vec{x}## is given by [corrected according to #3]
$$\mathrm{d} m=\mathrm{d}^3 \vec{x} \rho(\vec{x})=\sqrt{g} \rho \mathrm{d} \tilde{x}^1 \mathrm{d} \tilde{x}^2 \mathrm{d} \tilde{x}^3.$$
For the mass-current-density then you have [corrected according to #3]
$$\mathrm{d} m v^i= \sqrt{g} \rho v^i \mathrm{d} \tilde{x}^1 \mathrm{d} \tilde{x}^2 \mathrm{d} \tilde{x}^3.$$
 
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Thank you a lot for this elaborate answer! It helped me very much to understand these calculations. In the second last equation, you wrote
vanhees71 said:
$$\mathrm{d} m=\mathrm{d}^3 \vec{x} \rho(\vec{x})=\sqrt{g} \mathrm{d} \tilde{x}^1 \mathrm{d} \tilde{x}^2 \mathrm{d} \tilde{x}^3.$$

I believe this was a typing error, and it should be $$ \mathrm{d} m=\mathrm{d}^3 \vec{x} \rho(\vec{x})=\sqrt{g} \rho \mathrm{d} \tilde{x}^1 \mathrm{d} \tilde{x}^2 \mathrm{d} \tilde{x}^3$$Therefore, the last equation should say $$\mathrm{d} m v^i= \sqrt{g} \rho v^i \mathrm{d} \tilde{x}^1 \mathrm{d} \tilde{x}^2 \mathrm{d} \tilde{x}^3$$ Since ##\mathrm{d} m v^i## is the momentum of a fluid parcel and momentum density (or mass-current-density) ##M_i## is defined via ##\mathrm{d} m v^i = M_i \mathrm{d} \tilde{x}^1 \mathrm{d} \tilde{x}^2 \mathrm{d} \tilde{x}^3##, by comparing the equations we get $$M_i = \sqrt{g} \rho v^i$$ Please correct me if I'm wrong!
 
Sure, I'll correct the typos in the original posting too!
 

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