Momentum density of states for pion decay.

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The discussion revolves around calculating the ratio of the density of states factor, ##\rho(p)##, for the decays of a pion into an electron and neutrino, and into a muon and neutrino. The context involves understanding the momentum states associated with these decays and the implications of particle masses in the calculations.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to derive the ratio of the density of states using the provided equation and considers the implications of neglecting particle masses. Some participants question the validity of this approach, noting that the muon mass is not negligible compared to the pion mass.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring the mathematical relationships involved in the decay processes and discussing the appropriateness of various assumptions, such as working in the pion's rest frame and approximating certain masses as negligible. There is an ongoing inquiry into how to proceed with the calculations given these considerations.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of the angle between decay products and the implications of mass assumptions on the calculations. The discussion reflects a need for clarity on how to handle these factors in the context of the problem.

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Homework Statement



I am trying to calculate the ratio of the density of states factor, ##\rho(p)##, for the two decays:
$$\pi^+\rightarrow e^++\nu_e~~$$ and $$\pi^+\rightarrow \mu^++\nu_{\mu}~~$$

Homework Equations



##\rho(p)~dp=\frac{V}{(2\pi\hbar)^3}p^2~dp~d\Omega##

Which is the number of states with momentum between ##p## and ##dp## and lie within a small solid angle ##d\Omega##. ##V## is an arbitrary volume to which we confine the system.

Also, ##\rho_{Total}=\rho_1(p_1)\rho_2(p_2)...\rho_n(p_n)##

The Attempt at a Solution



Using the above equation:

##\rho_n(p_n)=\frac{V}{(2\pi\hbar)^3}p_n^2~d\Omega##

The ratio R should be:

##R=\frac{p^2(e^+)p^2(\nu_e)}{p^2(\mu^+)p^2(\nu_{\mu})}##

The only way I can think to proceed is:

##M_{\pi^+}^2=(P_e+P_{\mu_e})^2~~\text{ where } P_x \text{ is the 4-momentum of particle } x##
After assuming the mass of the decay products is negligible when compared to its momentum, and that the angle between the two products is 180 degrees, I arrive at: ##p^2(e)p^2(\mu_e)=\frac{1}{16}M_{\pi^+}^4##.
But I will just get the same expression for the second decay, so I feel I am doing it wrong. Any suggestions?
 
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If you neglect masses, the decays are completely identical.
The muon mass is not small compared to the pion mass.
 
Let the sub script one mean electron and the subscript two mean electron neutrino, then:

##M_{\pi^+}^2=(P_1+P_2)^2)##
##~~~~~~~=E_1^2+E_2^2+2E_1E_2-p_1^2-p_2^2-2\vec{p_1}\cdot\vec{p_2}##
Using ##E_i^2=m_i^2+p_i^2##
##~~~~~~~=m_1^2+m_2^2+2p_1p_2+2\sqrt{(m_1^2+p_1^2)(m_2^2+p_2^2)}## assumes angle between ##p_1## and ##p_2 ## is 180 degrees
Where can I go from here? Maybe I need to make some sort of approximation.. Do I use the fact that ##\vec{p_1}=-\vec{p_2}## in the pions rest frame ?
 
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I would certainly work in the pion rest frame, yes. You can approximate the neutrino masses with 0, and if you don't care about the amplitude of the decay process I guess the same works for the electron.
 

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