Momentum Eigenfunctions and Definite Momentum

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The discussion revolves around the concept of momentum eigenfunctions and the implications for states of well-defined momentum, particularly in the context of free particles. Participants explore the relationship between plane waves, wave packets, and the Heisenberg uncertainty principle, as well as the mathematical framework of Fourier transforms in quantum mechanics.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that while plane waves are eigenfunctions of the momentum operator, they do not correspond to physically realizable states due to normalization issues.
  • One participant questions the distinction between "well-defined" momentum and states that are "arbitrarily close" to having a precise momentum, particularly in the context of free particles.
  • Another participant asserts that a properly normalizable wave function for a free particle is a wave packet, which is a superposition of plane waves covering a continuous range of momentum and energy.
  • The relationship between the width of the momentum range and the physical width of the wave packet is discussed in relation to the Heisenberg uncertainty principle.
  • Participants discuss how the momentum space equation weights the plane wave and time dependence to produce a wave packet.
  • There is a technical explanation of how the momentum operator acts on the position space wave function and how this relates to the Fourier transform between position and momentum space wave functions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that wave packets are necessary for normalizable states of free particles, but there is ongoing discussion about the implications of this for defining momentum and the nature of wave functions.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the dependence on the definitions of momentum and energy states, as well as the mathematical relationships involved in Fourier transforms. There are unresolved aspects regarding the interpretation of "well-defined" momentum in quantum mechanics.

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Hi everyone,

On page 138 of my Shankar text, Shankar states:

"...since the plane waves are eigenfunctions of P, does it mean that states of well-defined momentum do not exist? Yes, in the strict sense. However, there do exist states that are both normalizable to unity (i.e. correspond to proper vectors) and come arbitrarily close to having a precise momentum. For example, a wave function that behaves as [itex]e^{i p_0 x / \hbar}[/itex] over a large region of space and tapers off to zero beyond, will be normalizable to unity and will have a Fourier transform so sharply peaked at [itex]p=p_0[/itex] that momentum measurements will only give results practically indistinguishable from [itex]p_0[/itex]."

My question is: What about momentum in the case of a free particle? Don't we have states of well defined energy here? And if we do, doesn't that imply (by E = p^2/2m) that we have states of well defined momentum as well? Perhaps I'm simply misunderstanding the distinction between "well defined" momentum and "arbitrarily close" to well defined momentum. I thought the whole point of being "arbitrarily close" was that you could have momentum as well defined as you wanted.

My whole point in asking this question is -- since we *can't* associate plane waves with a physically sensible probability distribution, how do we obtain a physically sensible probability distribution for momentum? I know we use the complex exponential [itex]\langle x|p\rangle[/itex] to create the Fourier transform [itex]\psi(p)[/itex] of some [itex]\psi(x)[/itex], but it seems so odd to me that the plane wave is simply a mathematical entity that enters the *definition* of a Fourier transform for *all* transforms but just so happens to be the eigenfunction of the momentum operator in x-space. Can someone draw the connection for me? I'm failing to see it.

Many thanks in advance.
 
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jmcelve said:
What about momentum in the case of a free particle? Don't we have states of well defined energy here?

No, we don't. A properly normalizable wave function for a free particle is a wave packet, a superposition of plane waves covering a continuous range of momentum (and energy). The "width" of the momentum range, Δp, is related to the physical "width" of the packet, Δx, by the Heisenberg uncertainty principle. In fact, the HUP can be derived from theorems about the Fourier transforms that relate the momentum-space wave function ##\psi(p)## to the position-space wave function ##\psi(x)##.
 
jtbell said:
No, we don't. A properly normalizable wave function for a free particle is a wave packet, a superposition of plane waves covering a continuous range of momentum (and energy). The "width" of the momentum range, Δp, is related to the physical "width" of the packet, Δx, by the Heisenberg uncertainty principle. In fact, the HUP can be derived from theorems about the Fourier transforms that relate the momentum-space wave function ##\psi(p)## to the position-space wave function ##\psi(x)##.

Thanks for the prompt reply. This clarifies it perfectly, actually. So the momentum space equation serves to weight the plane wave and the time dependence term in order to produce the wave packet, correct?

Also -- how exactly is it that we determined that functions of x and p are transforms of one another?
 
The momentum operator in the position basis is -i hbar d/dx. Try applying that to a state psi(x), written in terms of its Fourier transform psi(p):

[tex]-i \hbar \frac{d}{dx}\psi(x) = -i \hbar \frac{d}{dx} \int \frac{dp}{2\pi\hbar}e^{ipx/\hbar}\psi(p) = \int \frac{dp}{2\pi\hbar}e^{ipx/\hbar}p\psi(p)[/tex]

So the Fourier transform of psi(x) just gets multiplied by p when we hit psi(x) with the momentum operator. We call psi(x) the position space wave function because to apply the position operator we just multiply psi(x) by x. Apparently psi(p) is the momentum space wave function in the same sense.
 

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