Momentum exchange of virtual pions

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of momentum exchange in the context of virtual pions mediating the strong force between nucleons. Participants explore the implications of this exchange on the nature of the force, including whether it results in attraction or repulsion, and consider the role of other particles such as gluons and mesons in these interactions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the momentum transfer from virtual pions would lead to a repulsive force between nucleons instead of an attractive one.
  • Another participant notes that virtual pion exchange is a dominant effect but acknowledges that nucleons can also exchange gluons and other mesons, suggesting a more complex interaction.
  • A different viewpoint asserts that gluons do not exist at the nucleon level due to confinement, implying that pions are the effective mediators in this context.
  • Some participants emphasize that pions are favored due to their lack of confinement and lower mass compared to other mediators, which may not play a significant role in nuclear interactions.
  • One participant references external material to support the idea that nucleons interact primarily through colorless objects like mesons at larger distances, while quark-gluon exchanges may occur at smaller distances but are less relevant for typical nuclear physics scenarios.
  • There is a reiteration of the idea that pions dominate interactions due to their properties, with some participants expressing agreement on this point.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the role of gluons and the nature of the force resulting from pion exchange. While there is some agreement on the dominance of pions in mediating the strong force, the implications of momentum transfer and the existence of gluons at the nucleon level remain contested.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss the limitations of their arguments, including the dependence on the definitions of confinement and the conditions under which different particles mediate interactions. The discussion does not resolve the complexities involved in these interactions.

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I know that the strong force is viewed as the exchange of virtual pions between two nucleons, with the mass and range of them confirmed by the energy-time uncertainty principle. But if the momentum of the pion is transferred from one nucleon to the other in the interaction, wouldn't that give an equivalent repulsive force between them instead of an attractive one?
 
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Thanks; guess I didn't look far enough back in the past topics.
 
Virtual pion exchange is just one of the contributions. It's the dominant effect, but there are other things going on. Nucleons can exchange gluons directly, as well as exchange other mesons. Pions happen to be the lightest of mesons and not restricted by confinement, so they end up being better mediators for nuclear forces, but not the only ones there.
 
gluons don't exist in the nuclei level due to confinement, so that's why in fact (effectively) you get the puons.
The main quarks you can make your "effective particle" consist of, are up and down, because I think (from the deep inelastic scattering on protons) we already know that strange is not favorable at all...it's almost not existing in the sea particles...
 
How can you draw any strong interaction without involving gluons?
 
K^2 said:
Virtual pion exchange is just one of the contributions. It's the dominant effect, but there are other things going on. Nucleons can exchange gluons directly, as well as exchange other mesons. Pions happen to be the lightest of mesons and not restricted by confinement, so they end up being better mediators for nuclear forces, but not the only ones there.

From www.phy.ohiou.edu/~elster/lectures/fewblect_2.pdf‎:

Fortunately, at distances larger than the nucleon extension, which dominate nuclear physics phenomena, color confinement dictates that nucleons can only interact by exchanging colorless objects, i.e. just mesons. Only at smaller distances, at which the two nucleons overlap, genuinely new processes may occur involving explicit quark-gluon exchange. Due to the repulsive core on the NN interaction, however, both nucleons do not come very close to each other unless the scattering energy is very high. Thus, there is good reason to believe these processes not to dominate the NN interaction for energies relevant in nuclear physics.
 
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That's precisely what I said. Pions dominate interaction because they are not confined. Other processes are non-dominant either due to confinement or higher masses of mediator particles. Where's the problem?
 
K^2 said:
That's precisely what I said. Pions dominate interaction because they are not confined. Other processes are non-dominant either due to confinement or higher masses of mediator particles. Where's the problem?
Please don't take offense when someone agrees with you. :wink:
 

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