Nuclear force as residual color force

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The discussion centers on the relationship between the strong interaction, which binds quarks into baryons, and the nuclear force, which is described as a residual effect of the strong interaction. Participants explore the mechanisms behind pion exchange and how this relates to the transition from color force to nuclear force, with a focus on the underlying quantum chromodynamics (QCD) concepts.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about how the nuclear force arises as a residual effect of the strong interaction, particularly questioning how pions form and how they mediate attraction between nucleons.
  • Another participant offers an analogy comparing the bonding of hydrogen atoms to the interaction between nucleons, suggesting that polarization effects lead to attraction despite both being color-neutral.
  • A different participant emphasizes the need for a connection between the color force and the nuclear force, questioning how gluon-based interactions transition to meson-based interactions.
  • One participant explains that the exchange of particles with different spins results in varying types of forces, noting that the meson-exchange picture of QCD is known as chiral perturbation theory, which is based on flavor symmetry.
  • There is a discussion about the conservation of flavor in quarks during interactions, with one participant suggesting that flavor changes may not be necessary for understanding the process.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the mechanisms of the nuclear force and its relationship to the strong interaction. There is no consensus on how to connect the color force to the nuclear force, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the specifics of pion formation and the implications of flavor conservation.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note limitations in their understanding of quantum chromodynamics (QCD) and Feynman diagrams, which may affect their interpretations of the interactions being discussed.

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Hi all,

I'm can't wrap my head around this. I get how the strong interaction bonds quarks into baryons and I get the pion exchange model for the attraction between nucleons (well sort of, I still don't understand how exchanging massive particles can result in an attractive force, but OK).

What I don't understand is how the latter is a residual effect of the former. The color interaction leaves flavor untouched, but the pion exchanges flavors between (the quarks of) nucleons. So how exactly does the pion form?

There is a Feynman-Diagram in the Wikipedia article on nuclear force (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_force), but I don't understand that either. Not very good with Feynman diagrams.

Can anyone explain this to me in preferably plain English? I'm a physics student, so jargon is OK, but I have almost no background in QCD, so go easy on the maths, if possible.

Thanks in advance.
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OK, this may be an even more naive explanation than you're looking for, but here it is at the crayon level at which I understand it.

Naively, you wouldn't expect two hydrogen atoms to bond to form a molecule. They're both electrically neutral, so the force between them should vanish. It fails to vanish only because of polarization effects, which produce an interaction that's weak and falls off more rapidly than the Coulomb force (say r^{-7} (?), rather than r^{-2}).

Same thing with a neutron and a proton. They're both color-neutral, so naively they shouldn't bond to form a deuteron. The attraction fails to vanish only because of polarization effects, which produce an interaction that's weak and falls off more rapidly than the color force (say e^{-kr}, rather than r).

I'm not even sure you need anything explicitly quantum-mechanical in order to understand this. The electrical version can certainly be understood qualitatively in terms of classical E&M. So it may not be necessary to invoke exchange of quanta at all.
 
Thanks bcrowell. I've heard that analogy before, and I'm quite OK with it (NB: Hydrogen bonds are covalent, not van der Waals-like). However, my question is specifically about the transition from the color force to the nuclear force, or, in terms of particles, how the gluon-based force becomes a meson-based force. (I can accept that you would use different models for different kinds of interactions, but since it is said that one results from the other, there should be an argument connecting both.)
 
For two sources of the same charge, the exchange of spin zero particles produces an attractive force, the exchange of spin one particles produces a repulsive force, and the exchange of spin two particles results in an attractive force. Mass doesn't matter, just spin. The pattern is +-+-+- (where + is attractive, - repulsive)... Tony Zee's book "QFT in a Nutshell" explains this very well (and very early on).

There's actually a name for the meson-exchange picture of QCD: chiral perturbation theory, which is an effective field theory that works for energies less than .2 GeV. It is based on flavor symmetry, whereas the color theory of quarks and gluons is based on color symmetry.

I don't really have a problem with flavor of the quarks in the baryons being altered as long as the flavor is conserved (which it is, in the meson), because quarks can wander where they want, so I don't necessarily view it as a flavor-changing process, but a quark leaving process. This is just my interpretation though.
 

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