Momentum in an Infinite Square Well

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the nature of momentum space for a particle confined in an infinite square well, specifically whether it exhibits spikes or is continuous. Participants explore theoretical implications, mathematical transformations, and interpretations of wave functions in this context.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that performing a Fourier transform on the position wave function leads to a continuous momentum space.
  • Others argue that the wave function of a bound state results in delta functions in the Fourier transform, indicating spikes in momentum space.
  • One participant states that the momentum operator does not exist for the infinite square well problem due to the boundary conditions of the wave function.
  • Another participant discusses the Fourier transform of a wave function multiplied by a rectangular function, suggesting that sinc functions arise from this transformation.
  • There is a mention of instantaneous momentum and current density, with a claim that they cancel out within the well, leading to zero local momentum.
  • Some participants clarify that the sinc function is the Fourier transform of a rectangular function, emphasizing the need to calculate the Fourier transform of the wave function itself.
  • One participant references specific figures and formulas from external sources to support their claims about probability amplitudes in momentum space.
  • Another participant acknowledges the existence of multiple views on the problem, indicating a lack of consensus.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing opinions on the nature of momentum space, with at least three distinct views identified. The discussion remains unresolved, as no consensus is reached regarding whether momentum space is continuous or contains spikes.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference specific mathematical transformations and properties of wave functions, but there are unresolved assumptions regarding the implications of these transformations on the nature of momentum space.

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Does the momentum space of a particle in an infinite square well have spikes or is it continuous?

I've heard so many differing opinions on this.
I go online and heaps of websites say that you just do a Fourier transform on position to get the momentum, and if you go through with this you'll get a continuous momentum space. However, other sources say you can't do a Fourier transform and instead you must look at the superposition of free particle wavefunctions, leading to spikes in the momentum space.

So could I please get help in reaching a definite answer to this conundrum?

Thanks
 
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If the wave function is that of a bound state, there will be delta functions in the FT of the sin or cos functions.
 
The momentum operator is the generator of translations. As the wavefunction has to vanish outside the box and a translation of an allowed wavefunction will lead to a non-allowed wavefunction generically, the momentum operator doesn't exist for the infinite square well problem.
 
Identity said:
Does the momentum space of a particle in an infinite square well have spikes or is it continuous?

I've heard so many differing opinions on this.
I go online and heaps of websites say that you just do a Fourier transform on position to get the momentum, and if you go through with this you'll get a continuous momentum space. However, other sources say you can't do a Fourier transform and instead you must look at the superposition of free particle wavefunctions, leading to spikes in the momentum space.

So could I please get help in reaching a definite answer to this conundrum?

Thanks
The Fourier transform of a wave function multiplied by a rectangular function,

220px-Rectangular_function.svg.png


is equal to the convolution of the Fourier transform of the unbounded function
(which consists of deltas) with the sync function:

220px-Sinc_function_%28normalized%29.svg.png


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourier_transform

So. You'll get sync functions as the Fourier transform.

------------

If you look at the instantaneous momentum, or the current density,
which is proportional to,

[tex]i\left(~\frac{\partial \psi^*}{\partial x} \psi ~-~ \psi^* \frac{\partial \psi}{\partial x}~\right)[/tex]

then you'll get zero everywhere because there are two currents
with opposite directions which cancel. The instantaneous (local)
momentum of each individual current at any point within the
rectangular well is the one corresponding with the quantized
wavelength.Regards, Hans
 
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Thanks, everyone :)
 
Hi.
Hans de Vries said:
So. You'll get sync functions as the Fourier transform.

No, sinc function is Fourier transform of rectangular function. We should calculate Fourier transform of the wave function. i.e.
Asin ax for 0< x < pai/a,
0 for others

In Fig 3.2 of http://www.ecse.rpi.edu/~schubert/C...um mechanics/Ch03 Position&momentum space.pdf , you find calculated probability amplitude in momentum space.
The formula of probability amplitude in momentum space are (3.22) and (3.23).
Regards.
 
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sweet springs said:
Hi.No, sinc function is Fourier transform of rectangular function. We should calculate Fourier transform of the wave function. i.e.
Asin ax for 0< x < pai/a,
0 for others

In Fig 3.3 of http://www.ecse.rpi.edu/~schubert/C...um mechanics/Ch03 Position&momentum space.pdf , you find calculated probability amplitude in momentum space.
The formula of probability amplitude in momentum space are (3.22) and (3.23).
Regards.
The formula (3.22) and (3.23) are both build from two Sync functions resulting
from the the convolution of two Dirac pulses with the Sync function.

Check and you'll see that the momentum p is in the denominator shifted away
from zero by the same distance as the Dirac pulses are shifted away from zero.

The momentum space image in fig. 3.2. could me "more accurate". What looks
like Gausians in the image should really be Sync functions.

Also, the width of the pulses should not depend on the frequency, (not on n)
but solely on the the width of the infinite well (L)

Regards, Hans
 
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Hi. Thanks Hans.
I am glad to know we are sharing the same view. Now I know that there are at least three views on this problem. Please take a look at another recent thread: eigenvalue of momentum for particle in a box
Regards.
 

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