Momentum & Kinetic Energy: Solve for Force

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving momentum and kinetic energy. The original poster presents a scenario where the momentum of a system is given, and they seek to determine the kinetic energy and the force required to bring the system to rest over a specified time period.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to apply the momentum equation to find velocity and subsequently calculate kinetic energy. They express uncertainty about their results and seek guidance on finding the opposing force.
  • Some participants confirm the correctness of the kinetic energy calculation and suggest alternative methods for finding it.
  • Others introduce the impulse-momentum theorem and discuss the application of Newton's second law to determine the force.
  • There are questions regarding the assumptions made about the force and whether the problem aligns with the current curriculum.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing various insights and equations related to the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of impulse and Newton's laws, while multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored. There is no explicit consensus on the approach to finding the force, but several lines of reasoning have been presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential gaps in the original poster's understanding of the material, suggesting that the problem may not align with their current studies. There is also mention of the implications of constant force and deceleration in the context of the problem.

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Homework Statement


Suppose that the momentum of a system is 8 kg m/s. What is the kinetic energy of the system if it has a mass of 10kg? If this system is brought to rest with a constant force in 5 seconds, what is the magnitude of this force?

Homework Equations


Momentum > p = (m)(v)
Kinetic Energy > KE = 0.5(m)(v)2

The Attempt at a Solution


Whenever I get an answer this easily, I am always very cautious, because it seems too easy and I usually get it wrong. So far, I applied the momentum equation, p = (m)(v) > 8 = 10v, and solved to get the fact that velocity is 4/5 m/s. Then, I plugged that into the formula for Kinetic Energy, KE = 1/2(m)(v)2, and I got that the Kinetic Energy is 16/5 Joules. As for finding the magnitude of the opposing force, I do not even know where to begin. Did I get the Kinetic Energy right, and how would I begin to find the opposing magnitude? Thanks!
 
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You are absolutely correct with kinetic energy. That is exactly how you are supposed to find it.

As for the opposing force, it's not as hard as it seems. But first, let me give you some definitions and a new equation. The change in momentum (Δρ) is also called Impulse (some textbooks will use different variables for impulse, but I use the letter "J").

J=Force*Δt
Change in momentum=Force*change in time

So to find the opposing force, all you do is plug into that equation. If you need more help with this problem, let me know.
 
Your solution for the kinetic energy is correct, although it may be easier in this case to directly use the relation ##E_k = p^2/(2m)##.

For the stopping time, apply Newton's second law.
 
Truman I said:
As for the opposing force, it's not as hard as it seems. But first, let me give you some definitions and a new equation.
It is possible that the problem is not referring to this force. It's hard to know what exactly your physics class is doing right now without being in it myself. Now that I think about it, if you have not learned this equation yet, you may want to solve it the way Orodruin suggested above.
 
Truman I said:
It is possible that the problem is not referring to this force. It's hard to know what exactly your physics class is doing right now without being in it myself. Now that I think about it, if you have not learned this equation yet, you may want to solve it the way Orodruin suggested above.
To be honest, there is really not much to "learn". The impulse equation is just the integrated version of Newton's second law, instead of ##dp/dt = F## you write
$$
\Delta p = \int F\, dt.
$$
 
The question implies the stopping force is constant so the deceleration is constant. You can use the equations of motion to find the deceleration and Newton to find the force.
 
CWatters said:
The question implies the stopping force is constant so the deceleration is constant. You can use the equations of motion to find the deceleration and Newton to find the force.
The deceleration is not requested, you just need to apply Newton's second law, i.e., ##dp/dt = F## or - for a constant force - ##\Delta p/\Delta t = F##. I would also argue that Newton's second law is the equation of motion for the system.
 
Orodruin said:
The deceleration is not requested, you just need to apply Newton's second law, i.e., ##dp/dt = F## or - for a constant force - ##\Delta p/\Delta t = F##. I would also argue that Newton's second law is the equation of motion for the system.
I used this strategy, and I got that the force would be equivalent to -(8/5) N.
 
EthanVandals said:
I used this strategy, and I got that the force would be equivalent to -(8/5) N.
Correct.
 

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