Momentum of 1g and 4g Masses: 4:1, root2:1, 1:2, 1:16

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The problem involves two masses, 1g and 4g, moving with equal kinetic energies, and participants are tasked with finding the ratio of their linear momentum. The subject area pertains to momentum and kinetic energy in physics.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the relevant equations for kinetic energy and momentum, questioning which formulas to apply. There are attempts to equate energies and explore the implications of mass and velocity on momentum.

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Participants have identified the equation for momentum and are exploring how to relate the kinetic energies of the two masses. Some guidance has been provided regarding the cancellation of terms in the equations, leading to further exploration of the relationship between the masses and their velocities.

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There is an ongoing discussion about the assumptions related to the equal kinetic energies and how they affect the calculation of momentum ratios. Participants express uncertainty about the velocities involved and the implications of the equations they are using.

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Homework Statement


two masses of 1g and 4g are moving with equal kinetic energies. The ratio of the magnitudes of their linear momentum is :
a: 4:1
b root2: 1
c; 1:2
d; 1:16

Homework Equations


KE=1/2MV^2
work=FD

The Attempt at a Solution


no idea what to do.. give me a hint please
 
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There is yet another formula that you have to use along with the one you've posted. Which do you think it is?
 
ProfuselyQuarky said:
There is yet another formula that you have to use along with the one you've posted. Which do you think it is?
pe=ke?
pe=mgh?
 
w= fd?
 
alijan kk said:
pe=ke?
pe=mgh?
None of those, I'm afraid.
alijan kk said:
w= fd?
The problem has nothing to do with work.
 
You're looking for the ratio of the magnitudes of the masses linear momentum.
 
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ProfuselyQuarky said:
You're looking for the ratio of the magnitudes of the masses linear momentum.
yes ... but what equation or formula i should use...?
 
What is the typical equation for momentum?
 
ProfuselyQuarky said:
What is the typical equation for momentum?
momentum=mass*velocity
 
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Yep! That’s the one. Now, we are already given the mass of both objects, so we have to “equal” the energies of them, using the equation in you OP. How do you think you can do that?
 
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ProfuselyQuarky said:
Yep! That’s the one. Now, we are already given the mass of both objects, so we have to “equal” the energies of them, using the equation in you OP. How do you think you can do that?
but we don't know velocity?

p=mv
p=1*v

what now? :--
 
  • #12
We've got:

##E_1=E_2##
##\frac {1}{2}(1)v^2=\frac {1}{2}(4)v^2##

What does canceling the 1/2 give you?
 
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ProfuselyQuarky said:
We've got:

##E_1=E_2##
##\frac {1}{2}(1)v^2=\frac {1}{2}(4)v^2##

What does canceling the 1/2 give you?
for E1 it is 1/2 or 0.5
and for E2 it is 2 ?

your way of make me understand is awsome!
 
  • #14
Well, we’re not dividing both sides by two, or else, we’d have to divide ##v^{2}_{1}## and ##v^{2}_{2}## by two, as well. We don't want to do that. We’re just canceling out the ½ because it’s on both sides.

That said, what are we left with?
 
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1/2=2

that means it is close to option c 1:2 ? and it is the right answer in the book.
thank you..
ProfuselyQuarky said:
Well, we’re not dividing both sides by two, or else, we’d have to divide ##v^{2}_{1}## and ##v^{2}_{2}## by two, as well. We don't want to do that. We’re just canceling out the ½ because it’s on both sides.

That said, what are we left with?
we are left with 1 and 2 ! great am i right because 1/2 is canceled
 
  • #16
Indeed, the answer is 1:2

Without ½ we get that ##(1)v^{2}_{1}=4v^{2}_{2}##. Square both sides and we derive ##v_1=2v_2##. Remember how ##p=mv## give us the momentum? We can now plug in the values.

##p_1=(1)(v_1)##
##p_2=(2)(v_1)##

We’re looking for ratios, thus:

##\frac{p_1}{p_2}=\frac{(1)(v_1)}{(2)(v_1)}##

Canceling out the ##v_1## gives us 1:2
 
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ProfuselyQuarky said:
Indeed, the answer is 1:2

Without ½ we get that ##(1)v^{2}_{1}=4v^{2}_{2}##. Square both sides and we derive ##v_1=2v_2##. Remember how ##p=mv## give us the momentum? We can now plug in the values.

##p_1=(1)(v_1)##
##p_2=(2)(v_1)##

We’re looking for ratios, thus:

##\frac{p_1}{p_2}=\frac{(1)(v_1)}{(2)(v_1)}##

Canceling out the ##v_1## gives us 1:2

ohh! great job... thanks
 

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