Momentum Operator Construction

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The discussion revolves around the construction of the momentum operator in quantum mechanics, specifically how it is derived from the principles of the Schrödinger equation and its relation to Fourier transforms. The scope includes theoretical aspects and mathematical reasoning related to quantum mechanics.

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  • One participant expresses confusion about the transition from classical momentum to the momentum operator, particularly the substitution \( p \rightarrow i\hbar\nabla \).
  • Another participant explains that the momentum operator arises from the properties of the Fourier transform and provides a detailed mathematical derivation involving integrals and wave functions.
  • A third participant acknowledges the explanation and reflects on their own mathematical skills, noting the recurring appearance of \( \hbar \) in the context of Fourier transforms.
  • One participant briefly mentions that \( \hbar \) originates from de Broglie waves, suggesting a connection to wave-particle duality.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the derivation of the momentum operator, as there is a mix of understanding and confusion regarding the mathematical steps involved. Multiple perspectives on the topic are presented without resolution.

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Some participants indicate limitations in their mathematical background, which may affect their ability to fully grasp the derivation of the momentum operator. The discussion also highlights the dependence on the properties of Fourier transforms and the interpretation of wave functions.

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Quick question about how Schrödinger constructed the momentum operator. I understand that [tex]\widehat{H}[/tex] in the wave equation is the sum of the kinetic and potential operators, using the form H=T+V. The kinetic energy can be expressed by T=p^2/2m, and that's the last part I can follow. Most sources then give the momentum operator as a "substitution" which gives p [tex]\rightarrow[/tex] i[tex]\hbar[/tex][tex]\nabla[/tex]. I have absolutely no idea where this comes from (I've yet to take a formal math class on anything beyond basic calculus, maybe this is the problem), could anyone provide some information on this?
 
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[tex]\hat{\mathbf{p}} = -i \hbar \nabla[/tex].
Actually, it comes from the properties of Fourier transform, so
[tex]\overline{F(x,y,z)} = \int F(x,y,z) |\psi(x,y,z)|^2 dxdydz = \int \psi^{*}(x,y,z) F(x,y,z) \psi(x,y,z)dxdydz[/tex]

[tex]\overline{F(p_x,p_y,p_z)} = \int F(p_x,p_y,p_z) |c(p_x,p_y,p_z)|^2 dp_xdp_ydp_z = \int c^{*}(p_x,p_y,p_z) F(p_x,p_y,p_z) c(p_x,p_y,p_z)dp_xdp_ydp_z[/tex]
where [tex]c(p_x,p_y,p_z)[/tex] is the amplitude of de Broglie wave which has momentum [tex]\mathbf{p}(p_x, p_y, p_z)[/tex]
can be generalized in case of entire rational function [tex]F(x,y,z)[/tex] (i.e., for example [tex]F(p_x) = \sum_n a_n p_x^n[/tex]) and above equations becomes:

[tex]\overline{F(x,y,z)} = \int c^{*}(p_x,p_y,p_z) F \left(i \hbar \frac{\partial}{\partial p_x}, i \hbar \frac{\partial}{\partial p_y},i \hbar \frac{\partial}{\partial p_z} \right) c(p_x,p_y,p_z)dp_xdp_ydp_z[/tex].

[tex]\overline{F(p_x,p_y,p_z)} = \int \psi^{*}(x,y,z) F \left(-i \hbar \frac{\partial}{\partial x},-i \hbar \frac{\partial}{\partial y},-i \hbar \frac{\partial}{\partial z} \right) \psi(x,y,z)dxdydz[/tex]
Consider [tex]F(p_x, p_y,p_z)=p_x[/tex]. Then,
[tex]\overline{p_x}= \int \psi^{*}(x,y,z) \left( -i \hbar \frac{\partial}{\partial x} \right) \psi(x,y,z) dxdydz[/tex]
In other words
[tex]\hat{p_x} = -ih \frac{\partial}{\partial x}[/tex]
 
Alright, thanks a lot, that makes a little more sense now. I'm probably not at the level of mathematical skill I would need to be at to derive that on my own, but I can follow most of your steps. It's so interesting how hbar seems to keep coming up, even in the Fourier transformation. Thanks a lot, that was very helpful
 
Hbar comes from de Brogile wave :)
 

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