Why Use Kinetic Energy Instead of Momentum to Stop a Car?

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The discussion revolves around the application of kinetic energy and momentum in the context of stopping a moving car. The original poster presents a scenario involving a 2000kg car traveling at 50km/h and expresses confusion about when to use kinetic energy versus momentum in calculations related to stopping forces.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to calculate the kinetic energy of the car and questions the relevance of momentum in this context. They seek to understand the differences between kinetic energy and momentum, particularly in relation to stopping a vehicle and handling collisions.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring the relationship between time, distance, kinetic energy, and momentum in the context of stopping a vehicle. Some suggest that the force required to stop the car depends on additional information, such as the time or distance over which the stop occurs. There is an ongoing dialogue about the appropriate contexts for using kinetic energy versus momentum.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted lack of information regarding the time frame or distance for stopping the vehicle, which is essential for determining the force required. Participants are questioning the assumptions underlying the original problem statement.

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Homework Statement


A 2000kg car is moving at 50km/h. What is the force required to stop it?

Homework Equations


KE=1/2m(v^2)
p=m*v

The Attempt at a Solution



1/2(2000kg)*(50km/h)^2 =
1000kg*2500km^2/h^2 =
2,500,000 km^2/h^2
converting from hours to seconds and km to m (to get joules)
2,500,000 km^2/h^2 = 2,500,000,000 m^2/h^2
2,500,000,000 m^2/h^2 / 60 / 60 = 694444.4... J

My answer may or may not be right. (I'm actually not so concerned with the math). Rather, I have a fundamental problem understanding the difference between KE and momentum. Why am I using the formula for KE to compute the energy to stop a moving mass and not the formula for momentum?

If not here, when is the formula for momentum used?

I am extremely confused on whether to use KE or momentum to handle collisions. I've come across an analogy that KE is the work, and momentum is the transportation for that work.

The equal and opposite reaction (Newton's third law), is this based off of momentum or KE?

I really would love a simple place to start for a comparison of these two terms. Thanks for any help.
 
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The question that you state should be completed as follows:

(...) What is the force required to stop it in x seconds?

or:

(...) What is the force required to stop it in y meters?

Since no mass in motion can be stopped instantaneously, or in no distance...
 
Ok, I think I follow.

If it is in seconds, we're looking at momentum. If it is in meters, we're looking at KE.

Is that about right?
 
smcclenaghan said:
Ok, I think I follow.

If it is in seconds, we're looking atmomentum. If it is in meters, we're looking at KE.

Is that about right?
No. NTW was pointing out that your question cannot be answered, there is insufficient information.

We need to be given information on how quickly the vehicle is to be stopped.
 
NascentOxygen said:
No. NTW was pointing out that your question cannot be answered, there is insufficient information.

We need to be given information on how quickly the vehicle is to be stopped.
Right. So if the question were asking how much force in X seconds, we'd be looking at the formula for momentum.
And if the question were asking how much force in X meters, we'd be looking at the formula for KE.

Am I on the right track?

(I understand the original question is not answerable as posted).
 
Yes, you would be able to solve for the force that way.
 
I appreciate the response, NascentOxygen (and to you NTW).
 

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