MOND : Help with fitting procedure

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the challenges of finding pedagogical resources for fitting rotation curves using Modified Newtonian Gravity (MOND). Participants express difficulties in locating comprehensive guides and relevant literature, particularly in the context of luminosity and kinematic data fitting.

Discussion Character

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks detailed guides for fitting rotation curves with MOND and mentions studying various published papers, but finds them lacking in elaboration.
  • Another participant notes that MOND is not widely supported in the forum due to a focus on \LambdaCDM cosmology and mentions that discussions on MOND and its relativistic version, TeVeS, are infrequent.
  • Some participants express frustration over the scarcity of pedagogical material on MOND, indicating that available papers are often too terse to be comprehensible.
  • One participant suggests that the limited availability of resources on MOND compared to other models like LQC and \LambdaCDM is a significant barrier to understanding.
  • Several participants agree that understanding MOND requires familiarity with standard cosmological metrics and concepts, implying that foundational knowledge in \LambdaCDM is necessary.
  • Links to specific articles on MOND are shared, including "The MOND Paradigm" by Mordehai Milgrom and "Modified Newtonian Dynamics, an Introductory Review," which may provide some insights.
  • One participant describes MOND as an effective theory that fits observational evidence to a limited extent but lacks substantial theoretical support.
  • Another participant finds it interesting that some MOND metrics incorporate concepts like Dipolar dark matter.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the challenges of finding comprehensive resources on MOND and the necessity of understanding standard cosmological metrics. However, there are differing views on the popularity and theoretical support of MOND compared to other models.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that MOND is not included in standard textbooks, which contributes to the difficulty in finding educational material. The discussion highlights the dependence on prior knowledge of cosmology to understand MOND effectively.

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I am looking for pedagogical guides to fitting rotation curves with MOdified Newtonian Gravity. I want to study how to fit the luminosity data as well as the kinematic data. I have studied some published papers on MOND fits(Sanders, Mcgaugh, blok etc). But, they are not sufficiently elaborate. Can somebody provide any links, resources that i might find useful? Thank you!
 
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MOND isn't particularly supported here, simply due to our focus on main stay cosmology. In accordance to [itex]\Lambda[/itex]CDM. You could try www.arxiv.com. I haven't looked at MOND in several years now. Not saying we only discuss LCDM, loop quantum cosmology is another popular model discussed often. MOND simply isn't too popular in forum discussions. The relativistic version of MOND theory (TeVeS), also isn't particulalry discussed. For that matter I can't recall the last discussion on (TeVeS).
 
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But, that's the scenario everywhere! that's why I've been unable to find any pedagogical material on MOND fits to rotation curves. I've surveyed the papers at arxiv.com, but they are too terse to understand sufficiently. :(
 
the only pedagogical material I usually see on it is usually comparisons between the two. Don't know what to tell you. The only help I can offer is to browse through the supportive references of the various MOND articles. MOND simply isn't in standard textbooks. So information on it is very limited. Its far easier to find materials to LQC and LCDM than MOND TeVeS etc.

here is one pedagogical view between the two, you might find supportive references from it. That's all I can recommend. MOND simply isn't popular and is falling out of favor, it was easier to find papers on it 5 to 10 years ago than it is now. Though I don't believe TeVeS ever gained much popularity. Its on the order of say Poplowskii's spin and torsion model, where he tried to do away with dark energy lol. I don't even think he's working on that model anymore

http://arxiv.org/pdf/1301.0623v2.pdf

I'll dig through my archives, I might still have one or two articles tucked away somewhere, it will take some time though I have over 100 gigs of PDF files
 
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devd said:
But, that's the scenario everywhere! that's why I've been unable to find any pedagogical material on MOND fits to rotation curves. I've surveyed the papers at arxiv.com, but they are too terse to understand sufficiently. :(

key note here, you cannot understand MOND unless you also understand the metrics used in
standard Cosmology. MOND, isn't its own set of metrics, it uses differential geometry, SR and GR just as the FRW and Einstein field equations do. It simply modifies them where needed. That's probably why you find MOND articles terse and have difficulty understanding them.

put another way you need to first understand LCDM, and all that goes with it
 
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Thanks for all the help! Much appreciated! :)
 
MOND is an effective theory - meaning it fits observational evidence to a limited extent. It has no substantive underlying theoretical support.
 
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That I agree with, I always found it amusing though that some MOND metrics uses Dipolar dark matter. see the first article
 

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