Monotone convergence - help required

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The discussion centers around the monotone convergence theorem, specifically addressing a scenario where the integral of a sequence of functions is constant while the limit function is identically zero. Participants explore the implications of this situation and seek clarification on the apparent contradiction.

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  • One participant questions how the integral of the functions, ∫-∞→∞ f_n(x)dx = 1 for every n, can coexist with the limit function being identically zero almost everywhere.
  • Another participant asserts that the limit of the sequence is zero everywhere except at x = 0, suggesting that the integral being 1 is less straightforward to prove.
  • A third participant proposes that visualizing the situation with a graph may help clarify the behavior of the sequence of normal densities, noting that as n increases, the densities become narrower and taller, converging to zero except at x = 0.

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Participants express differing levels of understanding regarding the relationship between the integral and the limit function. There is no consensus on the clarity of the concepts involved, indicating ongoing uncertainty and exploration.

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Participants reference properties of normal densities and their behavior as variance decreases, but the discussion does not resolve the underlying assumptions or mathematical steps necessary to fully understand the implications of the monotone convergence theorem in this context.

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Hi all,

http://www.scribd.com/doc/100079521/Document-1

Actually, I am trying to learn monotone convergence theorem, and I am stuck at one specific point, on the first page it says that ∫-∞→∞ f_n(x)dx = 1 for every n but the almost everywhere limit function is identically zero, what does it mean? how come the first is equal to 1 and the other is equal to zero?

Thanks in advance.
 
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hi woundedtiger4! :smile:
woundedtiger4 said:
… on the first page it says that ∫-∞→∞ f_n(x)dx = 1 for every n but the almost everywhere limit function is identically zero, what does it mean? how come the first is equal to 1 and the other is equal to zero?

i don't understand why you're asking :confused:

the limit (as n -> ∞) is obviously 0 (everywhere except x = 0)

(and the integral happens to be 1, for all n, though that's less easy to prove)
 
Draw yourself a picture. It might help you see what's going on. You have a sequence of normal densities with decreasing variance. For each n, the density must integrate to 1 because it's a normal density. But as n increases, the density gets narrower (by virtue of decreasing variance) and taller. So the sequence of densities converges to 0 everywhere except at x=0 where it's getting taller with increasing n. This should all be clear algebraically but sometimes a picture helps to clarify the concept.
 
alan2 said:
Draw yourself a picture. It might help you see what's going on. You have a sequence of normal densities with decreasing variance. For each n, the density must integrate to 1 because it's a normal density. But as n increases, the density gets narrower (by virtue of decreasing variance) and taller. So the sequence of densities converges to 0 everywhere except at x=0 where it's getting taller with increasing n. This should all be clear algebraically but sometimes a picture helps to clarify the concept.

thanks a tonne
 

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