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The discussion revolves around calculating the net gravitational force acting on a spacecraft positioned at the vertices of an equilateral triangle formed by the Earth and the Moon. The problem involves gravitational forces and requires an understanding of the relevant equations and concepts in gravitational physics.

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  • Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore different methods of calculating the gravitational forces, with some questioning the placement of the spacecraft in the coordinate system. There are discussions about the angles involved and the components of the forces acting on the spacecraft.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering suggestions on how to simplify the calculations by adjusting the coordinate system. There is acknowledgment of potential errors in calculations, particularly regarding the use of trigonometric functions and their components.

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Some participants note confusion regarding the initial problem statement and the correct interpretation of the distances involved. There are indications of varying interpretations of the setup, particularly concerning the angles and force components.

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Homework Statement


At a certain instant, the earth, the moon, and a stationary 1030kg spacecraft lie at the vertices of an equilateral triangle whose sides are 3.84×10^5km in length.

Find the magnitude of the net gravitational force exerted on the spacecraft by the Earth and moon.

Homework Equations


GMm/r^2 = Fg

r = 3.84*10^5 km
Me = 5.98*10^24 kg
Mm = 7.35*10^22 kg
G = 6.67*10^-11
Ms = 1030kg

The Attempt at a Solution



http://imgur.com/p8OBdfd
I think it's probably a simple error somewhere but I've gotten about 3-4 different answers all which are not F=2.8N - I've tried calculating it at different stages in the algebra - are the angles somehow not based off 60*? I don't know what it's missing.
 
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Frozen Light said:

Homework Statement


At a certain instant, the earth, the moon, and a stationary 1030kg spacecraft lie at the vertices of an equilateral triangle whose sides are 3.84×105km in length.
Is there a question to go along with this statement?
 
OH, sorry.

Find the magnitude of the net gravitational force exerted on the spacecraft by the Earth and moon. - edited it it in the first post too

edit: also that it's not 3.84×105km - it's 3.84 x 10^5km

edit: in the image I accidentally dropped the squares around [[ROOT][Cos60(Me - Mm)^2 + Sin60(Me+Mm)^2] but added them in my calculation
 
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You're probably making your life more difficult than you have to by placing the satellite at the top of the triangle and making your coordinate system pass through it. Instead, try placing the satellite at the origin and the other two bodies at the other vertexes like this:

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This way only one of the forces (FSM) will have two components.

I'd expect the net force magnitude to be just a few Newtons.
 

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The answer is 2.8N - I'm trying to match my answer to that one.
But I don't really understand what you mean.

Do you mean just line one of the sides with an axis?

(Triangle)
Me
M mS

So that there is no Xdir force from Me?
 
The idea is to choose the axes so that one of the forces lies entirely along an axis so it has only one component (the other being zero). Then you only need concern yourself with the individual components of the other force.

Looking at your solution, it appears that you aren't squaring the sin and cos values when you take the sum of squares of the components.
 
Yes, that was it. Thank you.

I'm not sure how I didn't see that after spending that much time looking at it haha.
 
Frozen Light said:
Yes, that was it. Thank you.

I'm not sure how I didn't see that after spending that much time looking at it haha.

The most insidious errors are the ones that hidden in plain sight :smile: It often just takes a fresh pair of eyes to spot them.
 

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