Moon Earth binar system by math

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the mathematical modeling of the Earth-Moon system, specifically focusing on its evolution and dynamics. Participants express interest in developing a model that accounts for gravitational interactions without tidal effects, and they seek guidance on the theoretical mechanics involved.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses a desire to build a model of the Earth-Moon system, starting with basic gravitational interactions and gradually adding complexity.
  • Another participant inquires about the specific goals and parameters of the model, questioning whether it involves creating a computer animation or a different type of analysis.
  • A participant mentions the intention to develop mathematical equations for an "ideal binary system" and to explore how changes in parameters like spin and mass affect orbital characteristics.
  • Some participants suggest resources for understanding the origin of the Moon but clarify that the original poster is more interested in the mathematical theory of motion rather than historical context.
  • One participant shares their experience in creating a simple model and emphasizes the importance of understanding the underlying physics, suggesting that a physics class or textbook might be beneficial.
  • Another participant recommends a simulation program called Universe Sandbox for experimenting with different parameters in a more interactive way.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants have not reached a consensus on the specific approach to modeling the Earth-Moon system, and multiple viewpoints regarding the resources and methods for developing the model are present.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the model, such as the exclusion of tidal effects and the need for a deeper understanding of the equations involved. The scope of the discussion is also restricted to theoretical mechanics without delving into more complex real-world factors.

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Hello,
I'm interesting in Earth Moon evolution history. I understand it is very complex problem, and I can find many articles about that. But I would like to start from beginning and add real condition on my model step by step (I hope good way to do something).
I would like to start with ordinary gravitation bound system (without tides effects), I hope I'm right it is problem from theoretical mechanics. Could somebody advise me some steps or some scripts or text where is described something like that? Only rotation around each other and their spins are taken into account for a start.

Thank you for your posts.
 
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Vrbic said:
Hello,
I'm interesting in Earth Moon evolution history. I understand it is very complex problem, and I can find many articles about that. But I would like to start from beginning and add real condition on my model step by step (I hope good way to do something).
I would like to start with ordinary gravitation bound system (without tides effects), I hope I'm right it is problem from theoretical mechanics. Could somebody advise me some steps or some scripts or text where is described something like that? Only rotation around each other and their spins are taken into account for a start.

Thank you for your posts.

I googled Origin Of The Moon, and got lots of good hits. The Wikipedia entry looks okay, and here is a hit from Space.com:

http://www.space.com/19275-moon-formation.html

:smile:
 
What kind of model are you making? What values or factors do you want to put into the model and what do you want to get out of the model? Is this something similar to making a computer model/animation of the Moon orbiting the Earth, or something else?
 
Drakkith said:
What kind of model are you making? What values or factors do you want to put into the model and what do you want to get out of the model? Is this something similar to making a computer model/animation of the Moon orbiting the Earth, or something else?
I would like to prepare some general mathematical equations describing "ideal binary system" of Earth - Moon with set of parameters. And try what would happen with period, velocity, distance if I change for example way of spin, mass etc. I would like to transform these equation to Wolf. Mathematica and create some animation. And then setting more realistic conditions for example some friction force, tidal force etc.
 
berkeman said:
I googled Origin Of The Moon, and got lots of good hits. The Wikipedia entry looks okay, and here is a hit from Space.com:

http://www.space.com/19275-moon-formation.html

:smile:
Thank you for your post, I've googled it also, but I'm looking for some mathematical theory of motion, not origin. I theoretically know what is happened and happening.
 
What you're trying to do is not simple. I've created a simple model/animation of the Earth orbiting the Sun, but I was only able to do so after taking a college physics class and understanding what the equations mean, how they work, why they work, etc. As with much of science, just knowing what the equations are is not a substitute for truly understanding them. Personally I recommend taking a physics class if possible, and if not that then I recommend a college level physics book. I can recommend one if you'd like.

However, if you just wish to see what happens when you change various parameters, you might try a program/game called Universe Sandbox.
 

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