Moral & Legal Hazards of Accepting Poor School REUs

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The discussion revolves around the moral and legal implications of accepting Research Experiences for Undergraduates (REUs) at less prestigious institutions while awaiting responses from more renowned programs. Participants explore the value of the programs based on the institution's reputation versus the quality of the research experience itself.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses concern about the moral and legal hazards of accepting an REU offer from a less prestigious school while still hoping for better opportunities.
  • Another participant advises against accepting the offer immediately, suggesting that the original poster should request more time and inquire about their status with other programs.
  • A different viewpoint emphasizes that the quality of the project and mentorship is more important than the school's prestige, suggesting that accepting a position and later leaving for a better one may not have legal repercussions but could damage professional relationships.
  • Some participants argue that not all programs at prestigious schools are superior, and that smaller institutions can offer excellent research opportunities that lead to significant outcomes, such as successful graduate school applications.
  • There is a discussion about the importance of strong letters of recommendation from mentors who know the student well, rather than relying solely on the prestige of the institution or faculty names.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether it is advisable to accept the REU offer from a less prestigious school. There are competing views on the importance of institutional reputation versus the quality of the research experience.

Contextual Notes

Participants express varying assumptions about the implications of accepting and potentially rescinding an REU offer, as well as differing perspectives on the significance of institutional prestige in relation to personal development and future opportunities.

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To my great dismay, I have been accepted to only REU programs at poor schools while having not heard from their betters. The nature of these acceptances is such that they require a definite answer almost immediately.

I am considering accepting these poor schools; but to jump ship if better schools accept me. What moral and legal hazards would accompany this decision?
 
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Don't do it. Just tell them you need more time, then e-mail/call the other programs that you have not heard back from. Ask them for as much information as they have, such as if you are still in consideration, etc.
 
First off, why are you judging the project by the school? The nature of the project you're involved in, the people you work with, and the skills that you learn are far more important and the prestige of a school ranking.

But let's say that by "better school" you mean, what you feel is the better REU project. I don't think you'd run into any legal trouble if you accept a position and then jump on something better that comes along, but this kind of thing burns bridges. I like Winterwind's advice.
 
Don't judge the REU program by the school alone. Some top schools don't have good programs in everything, and some smaller schools or lower-ranked schools actually have excellent programs. My university is part of a large REU program, but not one that most people would rank highly just by name. But all of our REU students presented posters at the AAS meeting this January, and all of them published in our undergraduate journal. A few I've talked to got into very good grad programs as a result of doing that REU.
 
for undergrads, letters of rec that actually mean something/say something really positive about you are far superior compared to fairly generic letters that come from the super big names/department chairs (does that even matter?)/whatever.
and when you start looking at graduate schools, it almost becomes more like applying to specific profs.
my understanding is that in germany, you literally apply just the prof.

if you're a grad student or a post doc, that name matters a lot more though... although at that point, you're probably working a lot more with the prof.
 

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