More Work Required for 4kg Lift than 1kg Push

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The discussion revolves around the comparison of work done in lifting a 4.00-kg object versus pushing a 1.00-kg block. Participants explore the calculations of work in both scenarios, considering the forces involved and the distances moved.

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  • Participants calculate work done using the formula W=fd for the push and W=mgd for the lift, leading to a discussion on whether the work done is equivalent in both cases.
  • Questions arise regarding the definition of weight and its role in calculating work.
  • There is an exploration of total work done when lifting and lowering an object, with considerations of gravitational work.
  • Some participants question the relationship between the direction of force and the work done when lifting objects at different angles.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing calculations and clarifications. There is a recognition that work done by gravity is related to the work done by the person lifting the object, and some guidance is offered regarding the independence of work from the path taken, as long as initial and final positions are the same.

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Participants are navigating through concepts of work in physics, including the implications of lifting versus pushing, and the effects of gravitational force. There is an emphasis on understanding the scalar nature of work and its dependence on force components and displacement.

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Is More work is done to lift a 4.00-kg object a distance of 1.00 m at a constant velocity than to push a 1.00-kg block a distance of 1.00 m with a force of 39.2 N?

I can find the work done in the 2nd case using W=fd= 39.2 J.
 
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What is the weight of a 4.00 kg object? Remember weight is a force (due to gravity).
 
oh yes, W=mgd= 4*9.8*1= 39.2J
So the work done is the same!
 
Total Work

You raise a 2.00-kg pail of water 1.00 m and then lower it 1.00 m. What is the total work done?
W=mgd
W=2*9.8*1=19.6J
Thats the work done when the pail is lifted.
The work done when the pail is lowered is
W= mgcos(theta)d
and theta is 180
so that would make w= -19.6J

so total work will be zero. yes..?
 
opps..the question is what is the total work done by gravity
 
Work done (in a gravitational field, such as that of the earth) depends only on the initial and final positions, and its path independent.
So if the initial and final positions as in this case are the same, the work will be the same. You don't need to calculate anything.
 
Work done by gravity is just numerically the negative of the work done by you. [tex]W_{you on object} = -W_{gravity on object}[/tex]
 
so the total work done will be 19.46J..?
 
oh..i get it..so its -19.6J..thankz..!
 
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Over the entire trip. i.e up and then back down, it is zero. As I said any work, be it by you or by gravity is dependent only on its initial and final positions, which are same in both cases, so the work is zero.
 
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Another doubt, more work is done on an object by lifting it straight up than lifting it diagonally yes?
 
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That isn't the right thing to say. Work is a scalar quantity given by the dot product(scalar product of two vectors) [tex]\vec{W}= \vec{F} . \vec{s}[/tex]. So it depends on two parameters(viz. the component of the force responsible for the work and the displacement in that direction) and not just one. You'd have to have a condition for both the parameters. What you wanted to say I guess is that knowing the magnitude of a constant force, F and a constant displacement, s ; you are merely changing the direction of the force so that only one of its component is responsible for the work. In that case, yes, you are right. But you have to take care about what you assume.
 
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