Mosfet SSR, flyback shunt/crowbar safety circuit

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The discussion centers on implementing a safety circuit for a solid-state amplifier output relay using MOSFETs. Concerns are raised about the potential for inductive flyback voltage spikes when the output is abruptly disconnected, unlike mechanical relays which mitigate this with arcing. A proposed solution involves using a normally open switch that closes to short circuit the speaker output when the MOSFETs turn off, potentially incorporating a resistor for current limitation. Alternatives discussed include using thyristors in a crowbar configuration, adding clamp diodes, or utilizing bidirectional transient suppression diodes. The importance of careful circuit design, including slow MOSFET turn-off and the use of avalanche-rated MOSFETs, is emphasized to enhance reliability and reduce transients.
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Hello, as you can see in the attached image I have an opamp driving a BJT transistor that controls the power through a isolated mosfet driver IC that drives 2 series (back to back) N fets performing the duty of a solid state amplifier output relay.

Now my concern is this. In case the output to speaker has high current but the safety needs to disconnect the amplifier, the mosfets will be disconnected but unlike a mechanical relay there will be no arc and the current termination will be sharp and abrupt which might cause an inductive flyback voltage spike.

My idea to eliminate this is to have a separate switching element that is normally open but every time the output mosfet switches OFF the other switch closes or turns ON, this would short circuit the speaker output terminals through the switch. I would add some 8 ohm or larger resistor in series with the switch for current limitation and dissipation.
The questions is how to best implement such a switch and wire it with the existing circuitry.
Maybe there are some better solutions like reverse polarity diodes from PSU + rail to output and output to - rail or some other method?

I was originally thinking about a thyristor, aka TRIAC or GTO in a "crowbar" style output shunt.
All in all I am favoring an easy to implement and simple solution in this case but one that is reliable

PS. I also attached the full protection board schematic for those interested
 

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I would think a full set of clamp diodes to the amplifier power and ground would do. However, a fast diode, careful layout, and good (low impedance) bypass caps are really important. In addition, you may also want an RC snubber across the MOSFETs.

Another possible option is a bidirectional transient suppression diode (zener) like the old 1.5KE series, but those are hard to specify (power dissipation, clamping voltage, etc.).

A third idea would be to intentionally slow down the MOSFET turn off with something like a gate resistor and big miller capacitor to reduce the dV/dt. This might be a tricky design though, I can imagine some issues with MOSFET Pd and delays. But the general concept is that if you don't need a fast disconnect, don't switch at high speed, that just makes all of the transients worse.

PS: Also look into avalanche rated MOSFETs to improve their ruggedness.
 
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