Most powerful telescope system of the future?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the potential capabilities and limitations of a future telescope system, particularly its resolving power and ability to detect small objects, such as a butterfly, on distant planets. Participants explore theoretical aspects of telescope design, including the impact of light diffraction, atmospheric interference, and the challenges of observing moving objects from great distances.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the feasibility of detecting a butterfly on a planet 100 light-years away, citing the limitations imposed by the wave nature of light and atmospheric conditions.
  • Others propose that while detecting a butterfly may be impossible, advancements in telescope technology could allow for the observation of larger, stationary objects on distant planets.
  • A participant suggests that resolution is determined by the diameter of the telescope's objective and discusses the potential for space-based telescopes to enhance observational capabilities.
  • Some contributions highlight the need for significant technological advancements and funding to achieve such observational feats, while others express skepticism about the practicality of these goals.
  • There is a discussion about the difference between what is "impossible under known physical law" and what is "extremely difficult," with some participants suggesting that future technological developments could change current limitations.
  • Ethical considerations are raised regarding the implications of discovering habitable planets and the responsibilities that come with such knowledge.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views, with no consensus on the feasibility of detecting small objects like butterflies at great distances. Some believe it is extremely difficult but not impossible, while others maintain that it is beyond current capabilities. The discussion includes both optimistic and pessimistic perspectives on future advancements in telescope technology.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on current technological capabilities, unresolved mathematical calculations regarding telescope size, and the complexities of observing moving objects from vast distances.

  • #31
Zentrails said:
Actually astronomers have already combined images from telescopes of various sorts aiming at the same part of the sky from opposite spots in the Earth's orbit, which is a lot longer than 21 km.

With radio yes. Not with optical.

There are two things to worry about. Detail and brightness. You can have extremely detailed images which aren't sensitive to faint objects, or you can have extremely sensitive but somewhat blurry images,


The Hubble telescope was once pointed at the same spot for a week and found 3,000 new galaxies. Theoretically, you could do the same thing for six months and get even better resolution. The law of diminishing returns applies, though.

No you can't. The fact that the telescope has a finite size means that you won't get any better resolution. You will see dimmer and dimmer galaxies, but that's something different.
 
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  • #32
twofish-quant said:
With radio yes. Not with optical.

There are two things to worry about. Detail and brightness. You can have extremely detailed images which aren't sensitive to faint objects, or you can have extremely sensitive but somewhat blurry images,

No you can't. The fact that the telescope has a finite size means that you won't get any better resolution. You will see dimmer and dimmer galaxies, but that's something different.

No, you should get slightly better resolution, because of parallax, certainly very small for nearly all other galaxies, but not small for stars in our own galaxies. Combine that with computer enhancement and you should get better resolution - it's effectively like using a Newtonian reflector telescope with a bigger mirror - Earth based optical telescopes are always categorized by mirror diameter and there are telescopes out there now with multiple mirrors that are aimed by computerized coordinated control. I agree that the effect is probably insignificant for a single telescope. If you could combine many telescopes from a variety of orbits around the sun, the effect should be more pronounced.

We might have differing definitions of resolution. All stars that are lightyears away are detected by a single photon over a certain period of time - so there is a limit to the resolution you can get with an optical telescope because of that. I'm talking about objects that are large enough or close enough to have a optically measurable diameter.

The one week Hubble photograph which identified 3,000 new galaxies was more than just a long exposure, simply collecting more photons in a particular region of the sky, IIRC.

And as a bonus you can calculate distances to these stars as well. They can even eliminate noise due to atmospheric scattering by sending particle into the sky and measuring the scatter of the particles, then computer correcting the images. That certainly enhances resolution - and you eliminate one of the advantages of an orbiting telescope.

It occurs to me that the Cobe background study (currently being refined with more and more detail) could be called the best telescope of them all, if you define the power of a telescope as it's ability to detect the farthest away objects. The resolution keeps getting better but it's nothing like the resolution of an optical telescope. It's a radio wave (microwave) detecting telescope, but it works by digitally subtracting the microwaves of known objects.

I spend a lot of time trying to grasp what the COBE backround is really showing us. Not only is it far, far back in time, in a manner of speaking, but the images come from a universe which had a much, much smaller volume than what we think the volume of the universe is today. It's exceedingly difficult to visualize, at least for me.
 
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