Motion of Null, Timelike & Spacelike Particles

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the characterization of the motion of null, timelike, and spacelike particles, particularly in the context of their speeds and trajectories. Participants explore the implications of these classifications in both 2D and 4D Minkowski space, as well as the relevant equations governing their motion.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants state that null particles have ds^2 = 0, timelike particles have ds^2 > 0, and spacelike particles have ds^2 < 0.
  • There is a claim that null particles move at speed c, timelike particles move slower than c, and spacelike particles (tachyons) move faster than c.
  • One participant mentions the metric equation ds^2 = g_ab dx^a dx^b as relevant to the discussion.
  • Questions are raised about the concept of null trajectories and how to calculate metrics in 4D Minkowski space.
  • Another participant clarifies that the terms timelike, spacelike, and lightlike describe intervals between events, noting that massive particles can exist at timelike separations, while massless particles exist at lightlike separations.
  • There is a mention that no particle can be present at events with spacelike separation without exceeding the speed of light.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express some agreement on the definitions and characteristics of null, timelike, and spacelike particles, but there are unresolved questions regarding the calculation of metrics in higher dimensions and the nature of null trajectories.

Contextual Notes

Some participants indicate a lack of clarity on how to extend the discussion from 2D to 4D Minkowski space, and there are unresolved aspects regarding the trajectories of null particles.

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For a null particle, ds^2 = 0,
Timelike, ds^2 >0,
spacelike, ds^2 < 0,

how would you characterize the motion of each particle?
 
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Nusc said:
For a null particle, ds^2 = 0,
Timelike, ds^2 >0,
spacelike, ds^2 < 0,

how would you characterize the motion of each particle?
How have you attempted to answer this question? What are the relevant formulae?
 
Ibix said:
How have you attempted to answer this question? What are the relevant formulae?

Null Particles move at speed c, time-like particles move at speed slower than c, space-like move faster than c (tachyons)

The equation is the metric. ds^2 = g_ab dx^a dx^b

I only mentioned the speed, but not the trajectory. What are null trajectories?
 
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Nusc said:
Null Particles move at speed c, time-like particles move at speed slower than c, space-like move faster than c (tachyons)
Yes. Note that tachyons are purely hypothetical.
Nusc said:
I only mentioned the speed, but not the trajectory. What are null trajectories?
They are the trajectories of something. What do you think?
 
In 2D Minkowski Space you can calculate the metric.

Ok nevermind I got it.

How would you do this in 4 D though?
 
Nusc said:
How would you do this in 4 D though?
How would you do what?
 
Nusc said:
Null Particles move at speed c, time-like particles move at speed slower than c, space-like move faster than c (tachyons)

I'm familiar with the adjectives timelike, spacelike, and lightlike. They are used to described intervals between events. If, for example, two events have a timelike separation, then it's possible for a massive (as opposed to massless) particle to be present at both events. A massless particle is present at two events with a lightlike separation. There is no particle that can be present at two events with a spacelike separation because the particle would have to travel faster than light to accomplish the task.
 

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