# B Move vehicle in space by rail structure systema

1. Jan 10, 2017

### Juuso

Here is my question and please tell what is wrong in this?

So lets think that we have rail and we move
Somekind batteries in this rail
and we have also solar elements to get energy to power
this rail system and a lamp to throw out enregy from this
thing that we move. And what we move is batteries.

And if it is true that loaded batteries weight more than empty ones we do this.

The thing is at one end of rail and we load the batteries full
and then we move these to other end.

So now newtons law say that there will be movement to other direction.

Now we discharge these batteries and move them by solar energy to other end and
continue his.

So now we throw out energy by lamp and we
can put this thing at moving to some direction at fastening speed.

But there must be something wrong
because nowbody seems to use this method to move things at space?

Or is it too slow or does the batteries not work in this weight in closed scenario?

So if you have answer to tell me what is wrong here that
this will not work please give answer
because this puzzles my mind often.

Thanks

2. Jan 10, 2017

### Staff: Mentor

The change in mass between a charged and discharged battery is tiny, so this would be a very complicated way to produce almost no thrust.

3. Jan 11, 2017

### Juuso

Ok! So is there any more better way to do this?

How about piezo electric way? Can youthink some better way?
Because if this really works in this first scenario maybe there is
more efficent way to generate same kind scenario?

Is there any other way to make mass and "dismiss it
using electricity or chemistry or some other idea
than this normal Jet propulsion where only all ready
stored energy is used to make trust?

4. Jan 11, 2017

### Juuso

So by the way could also electric motor or generator work? So when its move to other end it generate electricity but when goes back is of from the pinsion and move easier. But then it makes the other structure spin so it have to move so that generator goes to diverse spin when it load the lamp or something at second turn? So now this rail structure start to move in one direction in space and can get more speed? Or is this science fiction all ready.

The newtons and trust should work in this scenario becaus the energy is thrown away by this lamp that is powered by generator and the move to other direction has now energy transgfered when the generator moves back to start end?

So em i right that it is possible to move in space by this way?
Or is here some physical error?

5. Jan 11, 2017

### jbriggs444

In that case, why not just tie down the generator and shine the lamp out the back?

6. Jan 11, 2017

### Juuso

Well The generator is needed to convert
movement to elecricity and to lamp.

So I try to clear this rail structure by the means I can

Generator is moving in this rail and by pinions or axled
to this trail so when it moves in this trail the generator
makes elecriticy and it is in 90 movement
acording to this trail structure

And it only make power going to one direction
but is off when returns. So the Newton law
to make force in plain movenemnt is less in other
drection but more in other vecause when loading
some movement moves to electric generation like
100W lamp

But now if these masses are same in this trail structure
and in this moving generator the trail moves inspace
more to this other direction because some of this movement
is changed to electric forces?

But vecause in space this trail strts to go spinning
the second time it makes electricity the force have to
be in difrent direction to stop this spnning
that can be made using the motor
in reverce switch or somthing like in gear box?

But anyway this if i am not wrong makes the thing moveing
in space and nothing like in jet propulsion have to throw
away only light energy is thrown owerboard.

But now you who can math this problem out
can you tell can this put in real situation in space
or is it there all ready working?

I am sorry that i can not tell this in better way
because I can not draw this to here
becaus I have this eye condition and i write by
speec synthetics and so on.

But if this have something totally wrong

Thanks

7. Jan 11, 2017

### jbriggs444

You did not answer the question.

8. Jan 11, 2017

### A.T.

Didn't you already use electricity to create the movement? Why convert electricity -> movement -> electricity ?

9. Jan 11, 2017

### Juuso

Do you mean solar panel motor or lamp one? Is it relevant ? Force change in Newtons is the question. So are forces equal or not if 200d motor move 100w generator in other direcetion and in other the generator is zero wat? So if mass is same in moving parts , does it move in space?

10. Jan 11, 2017

### Staff: Mentor

So, you are trying to defeat conservation of momentum. Maybe we missed it before or maybe we missed noticing before that without "throwing away" the light there is no propulsion, but either way, no, you cannot defeat conservation of momentum. If there is thrust in this device, "throwing away" light (which carries momentum) is what causes it.

Since this is an attempt at a violation of the laws of physics and we do not allow that here, this thread is locked.

11. Jan 11, 2017