Moving an asteroid into Earth orbit

  • Context: Graduate 
  • Thread starter Thread starter Count Iblis
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Asteroid Earth Orbit
Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the feasibility of capturing a 10 km diameter asteroid to build a space station and the implications of such an endeavor. Participants explore various methods of altering an asteroid's trajectory, including aerobraking and using the Moon as a gravity slingshot, while considering the engineering challenges and potential risks involved.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Speculative

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose using aerobraking to reduce an asteroid's velocity for capture, while others express skepticism about the feasibility of this method, citing risks of perturbations from the Sun or Moon.
  • One participant mentions that Jupiter has captured asteroids, suggesting that Earth could do the same, but questions the wisdom of aiming a large asteroid at Earth's atmosphere.
  • Another participant notes that while using the Moon as a gravity slingshot could work, it may lead to unstable orbits, requiring significant delta-V for stable capture.
  • A participant discusses a fictional profession of asteroid wranglers, theorizing about the potential benefits of capturing asteroids for terraforming and water delivery, while acknowledging the dangers involved.
  • Some participants critique the portrayal of asteroid mining in popular media, suggesting that much of it is based on flawed science.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the feasibility and methods of capturing an asteroid, with no clear consensus on the best approach or the practicality of the proposals discussed.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the need for significant technological advancements to achieve stable asteroid capture and the potential risks associated with various methods, including the impact on Earth's atmosphere and the stability of orbits.

Count Iblis
Messages
1,859
Reaction score
8
Suppose we want to use an asteroid to build a large space station. We could alter the course of a asteroid so that it will come very close to Earth, but the velocity relative to Earth will then be more than the escape velocity of 11.2 km/s. Presumably we must use aerobraking to let it lose enough energy to be captured. But then this must be done such that perturbations by the Sun or Moon will then change the orbit so that it doesn't move inside the atmosphere anymore.

Can we capture a 10 km diameter asteroid this way?
 
Astronomy news on Phys.org
Count Iblis said:
Suppose we want to use an asteroid to build a large space station. We could alter the course of a asteroid so that it will come very close to Earth, but the velocity relative to Earth will then be more than the escape velocity of 11.2 km/s. Presumably we must use aerobraking to let it lose enough energy to be captured. But then this must be done such that perturbations by the Sun or Moon will then change the orbit so that it doesn't move inside the atmosphere anymore.

Can we capture a 10 km diameter asteroid this way?
Yes. The real engineering question is: where will you house the 7 billion occupants while Earth is under construction?

(I'm not just being facetious, there's an underlying ... risk ... inherent in your proposal.)
 
Count Iblis said:
Can we capture a 10 km diameter asteroid this way?
Absolutely! Jupiter captured several this way, all at once, in July 1994. The Earth captures several smallish asteroids this way frequently, and captured a larger one in 1908, and a very large one 65 million years ago.

The idea of aiming a 10 km asteroid at the Earth's atmosphere is rather foolish.

Perhaps using the Moon as a gravity slingshot might be a better idea. Perhaps.
 
... If you consider an impact as a capture! :)
But Jupiter actually did capture SL-9 into an orbit probably about a century prior to impact. But as the impact illustrated, it was not a stable orbit. Likewise, using the moon as a slingshot can work. In fact it did, in 2006: http://www.orbitsimulator.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?num=1182030550
But it was also an unstable orbit, and after completing a few orbits, our temporary moon escaped. So to capture and keep an asteroid in a stable orbit requires a large amount of delta-V on our part. You won't want to use the atmosphere, because you will broil the surface.
If we had the technology to produce the necessary delta V, then we would have the technology to mine the asteroid in its solar orbit, returning only the finished product to Earth.
 
I actually have an entire profession dedicated to asteroid wrangling in a science fiction story I'm developing. This profession plays an integral role in terraforming because it allows for large ice-laden objects in the outer systems to be brought to the inner terrestrial planets to deliver large quantities of water. In this case the asteroid wranglers actually want the captured body to strike the terraforming candidate. It’s been theorized that much of Earth’s water actually came to our planet in this way.

The second and more difficult function of the asteroid wranglers is to, as you suggest, capture a very large asteroid object and draw it into orbit around a terraforming candidate, essentially turning it into a small moon. This offers many benefits to the developing biosphere such as providing tides and stabilizing the planet’s rotation over time, thereby fostering more stable climate conditions.

Because there are inherent dangers with either of these operations they are only ever done on non-inhabited terraforming candidates.
 
In SF world military applications of such a profession seem to be promising :wink:
 
EngineeredVision said:
I actually have an entire profession dedicated to asteroid wrangling in a science fiction story I'm developing. ...
Good luck with your writing. Stuff like this is fine for the domain of science fiction. I enjoy good science fiction -- so long as the science isn't too bad. Bad science fiction ([cough] Armageddon [/cough]) is a different story. Unfortunately, a lot of the lay (supposed) science fact writing on asteroid mining is in fact bad science fiction masquerading as lay science articles.
 
D H said:
Good luck with your writing. Stuff like this is fine for the domain of science fiction. I enjoy good science fiction -- so long as the science isn't too bad. Bad science fiction ([cough] Armageddon [/cough]) is a different story. Unfortunately, a lot of the lay (supposed) science fact writing on asteroid mining is in fact bad science fiction masquerading as lay science articles.

For the record, I don't like Armageddon or any of Michael Bay's films for that matter.
 
EngineeredVision said:
This offers many benefits to the developing biosphere such as providing tides and stabilizing the planet’s rotation over time, thereby fostering more stable climate conditions.
Your guys think real long-term! Like hundreds of thousands of years...
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
3K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
3K
Replies
17
Views
4K
  • · Replies 21 ·
Replies
21
Views
7K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
3K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
2K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
2K
  • · Replies 0 ·
Replies
0
Views
2K
  • · Replies 10 ·
Replies
10
Views
5K
  • · Replies 16 ·
Replies
16
Views
15K