MTW Box 21.1 - What can "add and subtract" do for Equation (12)?

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The forum discussion centers on the mathematical manipulation of Equation (12) from MTW (Misner, Thorne, and Wheeler) Chapter 21, specifically using the "add and subtract" technique to transition to Equation (15). The user, Terry, attempts to derive a new equation involving the term ##\frac {\delta S}{\delta \Omega}##, which results in a discrepancy in coefficients. The discussion highlights the complexities of index manipulation and the challenges of identifying additional terms that could resolve the issue. Participants offer encouragement and support for tackling the material in MTW.

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Derive Equation (15) from Equation (12)
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I haven't posted for a while and I am still (!) working through some of the things I didn't quite get in MTW Chapter 21.

Here is my latest puzzle.

I want to work out how to get from Equation (12) in the attachment, to Equation (15).

I've tried the "add and subtract" ##\{\frac {(-g)^{\frac12}F^{i0}}{4\pi}A_0\delta t\}_{,i}##

This gives me ##+\{\frac {(-g)^{\frac12}F^{i0}}{4\pi}\delta t\}A_{0,i}## and -##\{\frac {(-g)^{\frac12}F^{i0}}{4\pi}\delta t\}A_{i,0}##

Plus ## \{\frac {(-g)^{\frac12}F^{i0}}{4\pi}\}_{,i}A_0\delta t## and minus ## \{\frac {(-g)^{\frac12}F^{i0}}{4\pi}\}_{,i}A_0\delta t##

All this does is allow me to replace ##\{\frac {(-g)^{\frac12}F^{i0}}{4\pi}A_{i,0}\}## with ##-\{\frac {(-g)^{\frac12}F^{i0}}{4\pi}A_{0,i}\}## which I could have done anyway by index manipulation,

I can then add the two versions of (12) to give a new equation which is $$2\delta S = \int \big[ 2\frac {(-g)^{\frac12}F^{i0}}{4\pi}\delta A_{i}+\{\frac {(-g)^{\frac12}F^{i0}}{4\pi}A_{i,0}-\frac {(-g)^{\frac12}F^{i0}}{4\pi}A_{0,i}\}\delta t -2\mathfrak L\}\big]d^3x$$

What this means is that my result for ##\frac {\delta S}{\delta \Omega}## contains the term ##2F^{i0}(A_{i,0} - A_{0,i})## instead of ##4F^{i0}(A_{i,0} - A_{0,i})##

I then had a look at the Plus and Minus ## \{\frac {(-g)^{\frac12}F^{i0}}{4\pi}\}_{,i}A_0\delta t## terms which I had discarded earlier as they cancel, to see if I could find some extra terms, but I couldn't find anything to fix the problem.

Can anyone point out what I am missing?
RegardsTerryW
 

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Hi Terry, I don't think if you remember my other handle though I hadn't forgotten you queries from MTW I did purchase the paper black version from Amazon.com quite a Heavy lifting.

But I'll get there eventually.
Nowadays I am reading Information Theory by Cover and Thomas for my last degree, hopefully I'll achieve it.
Cheers mate, you'll never be forgotten!
 
I mean it is paperback.
 
billtodd said:
Hi Terry, I don't think if you remember my other handle though I hadn't forgotten you queries from MTW I did purchase the paper black version from Amazon.com quite a Heavy lifting.

But I'll get there eventually.
Nowadays I am reading Information Theory by Cover and Thomas for my last degree, hopefully I'll achieve it.
Cheers mate, you'll never be forgotten!
Best of luck with MTW. Should you ever need a steer with any of the problems (I'm currently on Chapter 23), just drop me a message.

CheersTerry W
 
TerryW said:
Best of luck with MTW. Should you ever need a steer with any of the problems (I'm currently on Chapter 23), just drop me a message.

CheersTerry W
We ain't getting younger, but with no Guts no Glory:
 
BTW what was your 'other handle'?
 
TerryW said:
BTW what was your 'other handle'?
Let's just say I am a 21st century polymath... :oldbiggrin:
 

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