Multi-Particle QM Homework: Hamiltonian & Vacuum State

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The discussion focuses on solving a homework problem related to multi-particle quantum mechanics, specifically involving the Hamiltonian and vacuum state. Participants clarify the application of the gradient operator, noting that it acts on the delta function rather than the wave function, leading to a zero result when applied to the wave function. They explain how the operator can be manipulated through integration by parts, allowing it to act on the wave function instead. The importance of the delta function in substituting variables during integration is emphasized, particularly how it relates to the coordinates of the particles involved. The conversation highlights the nuances of operator manipulation in quantum mechanics.
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Homework Statement



Question attached :
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Just number 1 please

Homework Equations



Hamiltonian is given by eq ? In the attachment

##\phi(x_1,x_2,...x_n,t)= \int dx_1...dx_n \phi(x_1,x_2...x_n,t) a^+(x_1)...a^(x_n) |0> ##

Where ## |0> ## is the vacuum state and ##a(x) |0>=0##

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I can follow the solution and it make sense wanting to move the derivative from delta to the wave function, however, I thought the gradient operator would act on everything to the right, and so you would use a product rule here..so we would get a term where it acts in the delta and the w.f multiplies it as given, as well as and a term where it acts on the wave function and the delta just multiplies it

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Many thanks
 

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binbagsss said:
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as well as and a term where it acts on the wave function and the delta just multiplies it
The ##\nabla^2## operator involves derivatives with respect to the coordinates associated with ##\vec x## and not with respect to the coordinates of ##\vec x_1## or ##\vec x_2##. Since ##\psi## is a function of ##\vec x_1## and ##\vec x_2##, but not of ##\vec x##, the operator ##\nabla^2## acting on the wavefunction gives zero.

When ##\nabla^2## acts on ##\delta^{(3)}(\vec x - \vec x_1)## you can show ##\nabla^2 \delta^{(3)}(\vec x - \vec x_1) = \nabla_1^2 \delta^{(3)}(\vec x - \vec x_1)## where ##\nabla_1^2## acts on the coordinates of ##\vec x_1##. This allows you to integrate by parts twice (with respect to the coordinates of ##\vec x_1##) to make ##\nabla_1^2## act on the wavefunction.
 
TSny said:
The ##\nabla^2## operator involves derivatives with respect to the coordinates associated with ##\vec x## and not with respect to the coordinates of ##\vec x_1## or ##\vec x_2##. Since ##\psi## is a function of ##\vec x_1## and ##\vec x_2##, but not of ##\vec x##, the operator ##\nabla^2## acting on the wavefunction gives zero.

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Omg, thank you !
 
binbagsss said:
Omg, thank you !
TSny said:
The ##\nabla^2## operator involves derivatives with respect to the coordinates associated with ##\vec x## and not with respect to the coordinates of ##\vec x_1## or ##\vec x_2##. Since ##\psi## is a function of ##\vec x_1## and ##\vec x_2##, but not of ##\vec x##, the operator ##\nabla^2## acting on the wavefunction gives zero.

When ##\nabla^2## acts on ##\delta^{(3)}(\vec x - \vec x_1)## you can show ##\nabla^2 \delta^{(3)}(\vec x - \vec x_1) = \nabla_1^2 \delta^{(3)}(\vec x - \vec x_1)## where ##\nabla_1^2## acts on the coordinates of ##\vec x_1##. This allows you to integrate by parts twice (with respect to the coordinates of ##\vec x_1##) to make ##\nabla_1^2## act on the wavefunction.

Hi ok I've done this but for the x integration to remove the dx and delta, there are no terms to replace x by ##x_1##. ... ?
 
binbagsss said:
Hi ok I've done this but for the x integration to remove the dx and delta, there are no terms to replace x by ##x_1##. ... ?
There's the creation operator at the beginning of the integrand which depends on ##\vec x##.
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This ##\vec x## will get replaced by ##\vec x_1## when integrating over ##d^3x## due to the delta function ##\delta^{(3)}(\vec x-\vec x_1)##.
 

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TSny said:
There's the creation operator at the beginning of the integrand which depends on ##\vec x##.
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This ##\vec x## will get replaced by ##\vec x_1## when integrating over ##d^3x## due to the delta function ##\delta^{(3)}(\vec x-\vec x_1)##.
A-ha I must be blind.
 

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