Mummy, where do harmonics come from?

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The discussion revolves around the origin of harmonics when a square wave is applied to a system, specifically in the context of an antenna picking up signals at integer multiples of the fundamental frequency. Participants explore the relationship between the application of voltage and the generation of sine waves, while expressing curiosity about the underlying mechanisms without focusing on Fourier analysis.

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  • One participant describes a scenario involving a battery, resistive load, and a tuneable antenna, questioning why harmonics appear when a square wave is applied.
  • Another participant confirms the understanding that the inquiry is about the presence of sine waves at multiple frequencies resulting from a square wave, rather than a representation of the square wave itself.
  • A participant explains that the integer multiples of the frequency are harmonics and relates this to the formation of standing waves in the antenna, referencing Maxwell's equations.
  • One participant challenges the notion of sinusoidal output from a square pulse, emphasizing that the use of sine functions in Fourier analysis is a mathematical convention rather than an inherent property of the signals.
  • Another participant asserts that harmonics are real and observable, noting the existence of industries focused on mitigating them in electrical supplies.
  • A later reply discusses the implications of using different basis functions for signal analysis, suggesting that the observed harmonics depend on the mathematical framework employed.

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Participants express differing views on the nature of harmonics and the appropriateness of using sine functions for analysis. There is no consensus on the fundamental reasons behind the generation of harmonics or the interpretation of their reality in the context of signal analysis.

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The discussion highlights limitations in understanding the relationship between square waves and harmonics, particularly regarding assumptions about the mathematical basis used for analysis and the physical interpretation of observed signals.

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Right, I'm new to this forum but not new to asking daft questions. So here we go.

Just Imagine I'm sat in my shed and I've got a battery hooked up to a purely resistive load with a switch between the two. In adition I've set up a tuneable antenna in close proximity.

If I turn the switch on and off dead fast I'm able to use the antenna to pick up a signal at not only the fundamental frequency but at integer multiples of the fundamental, why?

I know about the theory of Fourier analysis, I'm not interested in that, what I'm interested in where these checky little sinewaves come from when the only thing you're applying is a single square wave.

Is applying a burst of voltage to the electrons in a conductor akin to what goes on inside a guitar string when you twang it?

I've trawled the net for an answer and so far found Fourier all!

Please help it's keeping me awake thinking about it, Cheers
 
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So, if I understand this, you're applying a square wave. You don't want to represent that square wave using Fourier series. You want to know why there are sine waves at multiple frequencies. Is this correct?

Here's a quote from Fourier to help:

"The profound study of nature is the most fertile source of mathematical discoveries."
 
yes please, but I'm a bear of very little brain so keep it simplish if possible.
 
The integer multiples of the frequency are harmonics, and because you're effectively producing a standing wave in the antenna, that wave can be at any of the given harmonics. Why, because at any other frequency, you won't get a standing wave. I don't know too much about the rest but applying a burst of voltage will produce an EM wave according to Maxwell's equations (in the same way applying a burst of movement to a guitar string would create a sound wave). Why it comes out sinusoidal is beyond me.
 
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me too, but that's the nugget of info I'm after
 
But it isn't really "sinusoidal" if it is a square pulse.
The mere fact that you are referring to harmonics means that you are implicitly expanding the waveform using a Fourier theory. Moroever, you are doing using a basis of sine functions. If you expand something in a sine basis you will obviously end up describing your signal as the sum of sines.
There is nothing stopping from using another basis and then your "harmonics" (with a weight which would then use be the prefactors for higher order terms in the expansion) would be different.

We are so used to expanding waveforms using a basis of sine functions that it is easy to forget that this is just a mathematical "trick"; sine functions are used since they are convinent but there are an infinite number of other basis you could use instead.
 
But harmonics are real, observable and an industry exists based upon eradicating them from the electrical supplies to equipment!
 
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Nit Wit said:
But harmonics are real, observable and an industry exists based upon eradicating them from the electrical supplies to equipment!

Depends on what you mean by "real". True, if you look at the signal on a spectrum analyzer you will see peaks at frequencies that are multiples of the fundamental.

But -and this is the important bit- what is REALLY happening is that the spectrum analyzer takes the signal and then performs a Fourier transform using a sine functions as a basis; hence if the signal is non-sinusoidal you will end up with a spectrum that contains harmonics for the simple reason that the expansion will contain more than one term. If the spectrum analyzer used another function as a basis the spectrum would not looks the same.

Now, the reason why we tend to use sines in signal analysis (but not always! Wavelets are quite popular nowadays and do NOT use sines as basis functions) is mainly because many things in nature -including the mechanisms we use to generate electricity (which usually involves an axis rotating in e.g. a turbine) are sinusoidal.
But there are plenty of phenomena that are NOT sinusoidal and in some ways we are therefore really trying to push a square peg into a round hole when we try to describe them as a sum of sines.
 

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