MWI and the entangled photon experiment

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the Many-Worlds Interpretation (MWI) of quantum mechanics, particularly in relation to entangled photon experiments. Participants explore the implications of MWI on the nature of measurements, correlations between entangled particles, and the concept of determinism versus randomness in quantum outcomes.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants argue that changing path lengths in entangled photon experiments does not affect the quantum statistical predictions, as the coincidence probability is independent of time ordering.
  • Others challenge the idea that MWI can adequately explain perfect correlations in entangled measurements, suggesting that if MWI were correct, there should be worlds where outcomes do not align perfectly.
  • It is proposed that under MWI, measurements result in indefinite outcomes across different branches, leading to the assertion that A and B do not influence each other.
  • Some participants assert that MWI is deterministic, claiming that all outcomes occur deterministically, while others argue that the branching of worlds introduces a form of randomness regarding which branch is observed.
  • There is a discussion about the locality of interactions in MWI, with some stating that while interactions are local, the wave function encompasses non-local entangled states.
  • Participants express confusion over statements regarding randomness and determinism in MWI, with some asserting that the concept of probability in MWI does not imply randomness of outcomes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the implications of MWI on entangled photon experiments, particularly concerning determinism, randomness, and the nature of correlations. No consensus is reached on these points.

Contextual Notes

Discussions reference previous threads for context, indicating that some points have been debated extensively before. The conversation includes unresolved questions about the nature of probability and the implications of perfect alignment in measurements.

  • #61
kered rettop said:
For what it's worth I think that "global branching vs local" can also be settled by being careful with what you mean. (I am moderately familiar with both ideas and know some of the reasoning behind them, though I'd have to grovel to Google to check whether it's what your authors mean.) The instantaneous branching presumably reflects the way the global wave function branches; the local branching presumably reflects the expansion of the region which has actually interacted with the system in decoherence and where information about the interaction has reached. Totally different things, therefore no confusion - as long as you make sure you don't use the same word. No idea what people mean when they talk about different kinds of realism. K.I.S.S. is what I say!
Vaidman describes his stance re/ Sebens and Carroll here
Vaidman said:
Contrary to our analysis, Sebens and Carroll work under the assumption that “branching happens throughout the wavefunction whenever it happens anywhere". [...] Consequently, “observers here on Earth could be (and almost surely are) branching all the time, without noticing it, due to quantum evolution of systems in the Andromeda Galaxy." [...] Sebens and Carroll concede that this global branching picture is psychologically unintuitive (p11). But it also goes against the spirit of the many worlds interpretation, which involves removing as much nonlocality as possible. Thus, after removing the nonlocality of collapse, they reinsert a different kind of nonlocality.
Vaidman hopes to find a separable description of the wavefunction, but accepts that it doesn't exist at the moment. He accepts this kind of nonlocality. But he sees the Sebens and Carroll account as elevating nonseparability to a stronger nonlocality, where doing something here instantly affects something there. I don't see how this disagreement can be attributed to a confusion due to imprecise use of words.
 
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  • #62
PeterDonis said:
That's how I understand the two descriptions as well.

One of the references in another thread on "Is the MWI local" had what it claimed to be a completely local description, but this interpretation involved having each qubit carry with it a potentially unbounded amount of information about all of its past interactions (this information would play the same role as the global wave function in the "instantaneous branching" interpretation).
We seem to be agreeing to an unnerving degree today, Peter. I think I'd better quit while I'm winning,
 
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PeterDonis said:
A large number of untrackable degrees of freedom...
Fair enough. I was not trying to define the third postulate precisely, only to point out there has to be one. Happy to leave the details to people who are capable.
 

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