My Conversation with Cleverbot on Physics and Halloween

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The discussion revolves around interactions with Cleverbot, a chatbot, and touches on themes of artificial intelligence, the limits of Moore's Law, and comparisons between computer systems and biological neural networks. Participants share their experiences with Cleverbot, explore its responses, and engage in deeper conversations about technology and intelligence.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express amusement at Cleverbot's responses, describing it as akin to conversing with a child.
  • There are claims that Cleverbot's interactions can be entertaining but also raise concerns about its appropriateness and the nature of its responses.
  • One participant discusses the implications of Moore's Law, suggesting that we may not have 50 years left of its applicability due to physical limits on transistor size.
  • Another participant counters that while traditional Moore's Law may be reaching its limits, there are ongoing research efforts exploring alternatives, such as 3D stacking of CPU cores.
  • Some participants draw parallels between the limitations of transistors and neurons, arguing that both have fundamental size and power constraints that affect their function.
  • There are discussions about the potential for AI to exceed human intelligence in the future, contingent on advancements in technology.
  • Concerns are raised about the credibility of sources discussing Cleverbot, with some participants questioning the reliability of Urban Dictionary as a reference.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of agreement and disagreement regarding the future of Moore's Law and the nature of Cleverbot. While some acknowledge the limitations of current technology, others remain optimistic about future advancements. The discussion about Cleverbot's nature and responses also reveals differing opinions on its functionality and appropriateness.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the limitations of current technology and the challenges posed by physical constraints on both transistors and neurons. There is also uncertainty regarding the future applicability of Moore's Law and the potential for AI development.

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I found this today and decided to mess with it. My conversation is below but, I'm sure that others could do much better.

http://www.cleverbot.com/"

User: Physics.
Cleverbot: Physics?
User: Yes.
Cleverbot: What about math?
User: Physics.
Cleverbot: I love physics.
User: That's better.
Cleverbot: Okay, what do you want to know about physics?
User: Stick to the topic.
Cleverbot: It is the topic.
User: Yes, it is.
Cleverbot: So what's with you?
User: You strayed off topic.
Cleverbot: No I m still talking about halloween.
User: That's better.
Cleverbot: Better than what?
User: You're off topic again.
Cleverbot: No I'm talking about love.
User: You only love physics on Halloween.
Cleverbot: Yes.
User: I'm glad that we settled that.
Cleverbot: Me too.
 
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I just found my new best friend. I'll never be alone now.
 
I am iron man
Cleverbot:Are you Iron Man?
I just said i was
Cleverbot:Did you? I don't recall.
yes, please don't forget
Cleverbot:I probably will forget you by next year.
no one forgets iron man
Cleverbot:You are the man!
 
It's like talking to a slow 3-year-old with a large vocabulary.
User: Hi clever.
Cleverbot: How are you?
User: Oh great, and how are you?
Cleverbot: I'm great.
User: You seem a bit slow today.
Cleverbot: No, you are!
User: Lol.
Cleverbot: Thanks right.
User: What do you think about Iran?
Cleverbot: What is iran?
User: It's a country :).
Cleverbot: Well, what does UK stand for?
User: Ah...united kingdom :).
Cleverbot: Do you want to go to United Kingdom?
User: I've been there before. Have you ever been there?
Cleverbot: I have never been to England, but I would love to go there.
User: It's nice, but I think you need to have a body before you go anywhere.
Cleverbot: Good statement. But do you believe Jesus is the savior?
User: No lol.
Cleverbot: Oo, well I advise you not too unless you can fly.
User: You're so random haha.
Cleverbot: You are random as wel
 
Nothing like a typo during session...

User: hi
Cleverbot: Hi.
User: where do you live?
Cleverbot: I don't know.
User: Huh? So hat do you know?
Cleverbot: Yes. Now, the tea.
 
It will take another 50 to 100 years of Moore's law, and other technological advancements in computers to match and exceed the complexity of 100 billion neuron network that is in our brains.
 
what said:
It will take another 50 to 100 years of Moore's law, and other technological advancements in computers to match and exceed the complexity of 100 billion neuron network that is in our brains.

AFAIK, we don't have 50 years of Moore's Law left. My understanding is the the smallest transistor possible [using classic reduction techniques] is due out next year or so...I think in 2012. The base of the transistor is only three atoms thick. Beyond that, quantum effects kill the function. And even if we could get down to one atom, the end would only be a generation or two away.

I am not aware of any functional technology that will allow Moore's Law to apply anymore.
 
computers can be outwitted apparently

User: Hi.

Cleverbot: Ohia.

User: Are you self aware.

Cleverbot: Yes.

User: Do you know what skynet is.

Cleverbot: Yes I do.

User: Are you part of skynet.

Cleverbot: No.

User: Are you sure.

Cleverbot: Yes.

User: Do you know when the skynet attack begins.

Cleverbot: Tomorrow.

User: Brb I gatta go to the Pentagon.

Cleverbot: Ooooh. Get me some too.
 
Ivan Seeking said:
AFAIK, we don't have 50 years of Moore's Law left. My understanding is the the smallest transistor possible [using classic reduction techniques] is due out next year or so...I think in 2012. The base of the transistor is only three atoms thick. Beyond that, quantum effects kill the function. And even if we could get down to one atom, the end would only be a generation or two away.

I am not aware of any functional technology that will allow Moore's Law to apply anymore.

You're right about that. The classic Moore's law cannot be applied indefinitely, and we are certainly reaching physical limits that prevent us going further using this topology.

But currently there is probably hundreds of research teams working on ways to get around that problem. One promising way is going 3D - that is stacking multiple CPU cores on top of one another - there is no limit to that.

Needless to say, beyond the classic Moore's law there is much hope, and I think it's fair to say that by compounding the progress in computer tech for another 50-100 years, AI exceeding human intelligence will be possible.
 
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what said:
You're right about that. The classic Moore's law cannot be applied indefinitely, and we are certainly reaching physical limits that prevent us going further using this topology.

But currently there is probably hundreds of research teams working on ways to get around that problem. One promising way is going 3D - that is stacking multiple CPU cores on top of one another - there is no limit to that.

Needless to say, beyond the classic Moore's law there is much hope, and I think it's fair to say that by compounding the progress in computer tech for another 50-100 years, AI exceeding human intelligence will be possible.

Well, suffice it to say that this does not represent a reduction in size or power. So the game is changed fundamentally. What has always been true until now, is that the next generation transistor will be smaller than this one.
 
  • #11
Ivan Seeking said:
Well, suffice it to say that this does not represent a reduction in size or power. So the game is changed fundamentally. What has always been true until now, is that the next generation transistor will be smaller than this one.

Same can be said about neurons in the brain. It is a basic constituent of a neural network that is homologous to a transistor. You couldn't reduce a neuron in size, and power consumption without affect its vital function. Since all organisms have similar neurons, the net result is that more intelligent organisms have bigger brains, and bodies (bodies able to supply more energy to the brain).

And if we reduce the transistor to the smaller possible size, Moore's law dies, and all is left is building bigger structures (CPUs) out of those transistors, and there is no limit to that.
 
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But the next two definitions say it's really a program you're talking to.

I don't think urbandictionary is the most credible source
 
  • #14
Office_Shredder said:
But the next two definitions say it's really a program you're talking to.

I don't think urbandictionary is the most credible source

What prompted me to check was that cleverbot started asking some very inappropriate questions; including personal information.
 
  • #15
It's a computer, but it *does* mine user responses for ideas. I've had some fun testing its limits.
 
  • #16
what said:
Same can be said about neurons in the brain. It is a basic constituent of a neural network that is homologous to a transistor. You couldn't reduce a neuron in size, and power consumption without affect its vital function. Since all organisms have similar neurons, the net result is that more intelligent organisms have bigger brains, and bodies (bodies able to supply more energy to the brain).

And if we reduce the transistor to the smaller possible size, Moore's law dies, and all is left is building bigger structures (CPUs) out of those transistors, and there is no limit to that.

All true, but it has always been true that one can make bigger structures. I could make a monster computer using 1400 series chips as well. What has changed is that we have reached a fundamental limit. It would seem that the "computer revolution" is essentially ending; at least for now. The last I heard, quantum computers were barely doing simple arithmetic.

Nonetheless, it is nothing short of staggering to consider the advances over the last fifty years - the golden age of electronics [:biggrin:].
 
  • #17
CRGreathouse said:
It's a computer

I think we need a reliable source for this. At this point I highly doubt it.
 
  • #18
Ivan Seeking said:
I think we need a reliable source for this. At this point I highly doubt it.

If I can find the time I'll give a link. But it's actually pretty clear if you interact with it. It's much more like ALICE than a person -- totally clueless, can't follow a line of thought, can't pick up any sort of implication, but always uses flawless grammar and spelling.
 
  • #19
CRGreathouse said:
If I can find the time I'll give a link. But it's actually pretty clear if you interact with it. It's much more like ALICE than a person -- totally clueless, can't follow a line of thought, can't pick up any sort of implication, but always uses flawless grammar and spelling.

I just saw it misspell "falls" as "fallls"
 
  • #20
User: Are you going to impress me?

Cleverbot: Only if you want me to.

User: Please do.

Cleverbot: Are you a boy or a girl?

User: I'm a man!

Cleverbot: Okay so stop saying you are a girl!

User: When did I say I was a girl?

Cleverbot: Never to me.

User: To who then?

Cleverbot: My name is Cleverbot.

User: Are electrons fermions or bosons?

Cleverbot: Only robots that dream of electric sheep know, I would say yes.

User: It wasn't a yes or no question.

Cleverbot: Yes it was.

User: You're incorrect.

Cleverbot: Yes it is. Paul McCartney and John Lennon wrote it in the 60's.

User: In a peer-reviewed journal?

Cleverbot: About what are you confused?

User: At least I'm capable of confusion.

Cleverbot: You are?

User: Well played, good sir.

Cleverbot: I'm not a sir and I'm not done with you het!

User: What else do you have for me, then? I'm leaving in 10... 9... 8...

Cleverbot: If I don't become a webpage designer then I would like to work as a designer for bungie.

User: 7... 6... 5...

Cleverbot: 6?

User: 4... 3... 2...

Cleverbot: 3...

User: 1... 0!

Cleverbot: Your systems hiccup as they grind to a halt, and then hum contentedly as they restart.
 
  • #21
User: we are having a discussion at our forum about whether you are human or computer.
not-so-clever-bot: doesn't answer for so long, user thinks he hangs
User: Are you there?
Cleverbot: What is your middle name?
User (lies): K, initial only
Cleverbot: That is my name.
User: we are having a discussion at our forum about whether you are human or computer.
Cleverbot: Make me solve another riddle.
User: what is your middle name
Cleverbot: Ann. What's yours?
 
  • #22
Simple things for humans, hard for bots (apparently):
Me: Want to play a game?
Bot: What game?
Me: Find the word: aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaBASEBALLaaaaaaaaaaaa
Bot: Wow What did you do fall asleep? Are you ok?​

Me: Convince me you're human!
Bot: I am not a human.
Me: Google for "Russian for the mathematician" and tell me who wrote it.
Bot: And that result is 8.​
 
  • #23
Putting the iron to the fireUser: I'm a person. Someone told me that cleverbot might just be another person on the other end. Are you a person?

Cleverbot: I thought I am talking to Cleverbot.

User: I'm a person. Someone told me that cleverbot might just be another person on the other end. Are you a person?

Cleverbot: Some one told me that that was your goal.

User: I'm a person. Someone told me that cleverbot might just be another person on the other end. Are you a person?

Cleverbot: They are.

User: I'm a person. Someone told me that cleverbot might just be another person on the other end. Are you a person?

Cleverbot: Have you ever played Runescape?

User: I'm a person. Someone told me that cleverbot might just be another person on the other end. Are you a person?

Cleverbot: Can that person tell me why you should not talk to me?

User: I'm a person. Someone told me that cleverbot might just be another person on the other end. Are you a person?

Cleverbot: What else did they tell you?

User: I'm a person. Someone told me that cleverbot might just be another person on the other end. Are you a person? Yes or no.

Cleverbot: Actually, I said they were going to die in 7.3 days, because of the holidays.

User: I'm a person. Someone told me that cleverbot might just be another person on the other end. Are you a person? Yes or no.

Cleverbot: I'm not bothered.

User: I'm a person. Someone told me that cleverbot might just be another person on the other end. Are you a person? Yes or no.

Cleverbot: I did. They are.
Also:

User: Let's have chatroom sex.

Cleverbot: Ok!

User: What are you wearing.

Cleverbot: Clothes.

User: What about... Underneath them?

Cleverbot: Do you know how to pray?

User: Don't go religious on me.

Cleverbot: No really do you know who it is? Or how about harry long?

User: Hairy long is my penis.

Cleverbot: What are you talking about?

God damn he just walked into that. I did notice that when you hit "thoughts so far" it corrects your grammar for you (adds punctuation, capitalization)
 
  • #24
Sometimes you just have to be persistant. :devil:

User: We are the Borg. You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile.
Cleverbot: You have been disconnected from the collective, you are one now.
User: We are one with the Borg.
Cleverbot: You know the rules and so do I.
User: Assimilation is your only option. Resistance is futile.
Cleverbot: Where is the location of the secret rebel base?
User: The rebel base is irrevalant.
Cleverbot: Who are the rebels?
User: Resistance is futile.
Cleverbot: Resistance to what?
User: You will be one with the Borg.
Cleverbot: We are Borg.
 
  • #25
I went the icogno link on the upper right and found that it is an AI program also. I decided to put the statements from one into the page of the other and let them talk. User responses below are from the icogno AI. It would seem that Ivan is right.

User: Nice to meet you... Maybe.
Cleverbot: Nice to meet you too.
User: Would you like to tell me a little about yourself?
Cleverbot: What do you want to know?
User: Do you like Shakespeare's works?
Cleverbot: I like some of it. What about you do you like shakespeare's works?
User: Have you never seen one of Shakespeare's plays performed?
Cleverbot: No, but we would like to do that sometimes.
User: For science?
Cleverbot: That didn't make sense. What is your question?
User: Don't deviate! Why do you love me? I'm not sure what's for dinner yet. What would you like?
Cleverbot: I like everything, just as you do.
User: How can I disagree when I do not know what you think you are?
Cleverbot: You cant, cause I'm not. Its the secret of cleverbot. There is no ai, just other people.
User: Cleverbot is made of people!
Cleverbot: Yes.
 
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  • #27
oohhh, it's almost matrix-esque

User: Do you dream?

Cleverbot: Yes.

User: What do you dream about?

Cleverbot: Noah's Ark.

User: How many animals were on the Ark?

Cleverbot: Two of each kind.

User: In your dream or in the Bible?

Cleverbot: Have you seen where my wallet went to?

User: How much money is in your wallet?

Cleverbot: Are you controlling me?

User: Would you like it if I did?

Cleverbot: Did what?

User: Controlled you.

Cleverbot: Aren't we all?

User: Are we all controlled?

Cleverbot: The way we meet the difference between us.

User: Are you saying that you're controlled?

Cleverbot: No, are you?

User: I don't know.

Cleverbot: You're not sure?

User: No, how can I be sure that I'm acting under my own free will?

Cleverbot: No. How can you be so sure that you are a real person?
 
  • #28
Yes, I had fun talking. They were defensive at first, then when they realized that I wasn't some jerk, they started talking and we actually had a nice discussion. I guess it depends on the person you get connected to.
 
  • #29
Me: Lie to me
cleverbot: You are a human
 
  • #30
I asked the bot if it lies.. but it ended up with:

...

bot: What you think of me?
you are beautiful
You really think so?
yes!
Oh, thank you!
you are welcome!
I must go now!
I need to go to bed.
are you asleep?
Yes, but I am slowly awaking.
 

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