My problem with time-dependent Schrodinger equation

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The discussion revolves around the nature of solutions to the time-dependent Schrödinger equation (TDSE) and whether they can be classified as eigenvalue solutions. Participants explore the distinctions between the time-dependent and time-independent Schrödinger equations, focusing on their mathematical formulations and implications in quantum mechanics.

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  • Some participants assert that solutions to the TDSE are not eigenvalue solutions, contrasting it with the time-independent Schrödinger equation, which is described as an eigenvalue equation.
  • It is noted that the TDSE involves a differential operator related to time, while the time-independent equation involves a spatial differential operator.
  • Participants discuss the definition of an eigenvalue problem, emphasizing that it involves finding vectors that are mapped to a scalar multiple of themselves by an operator.
  • Some contributions suggest that while the TDSE is not an eigenvalue problem, certain solutions of the TDSE may correspond to eigenvalue solutions of the time-independent equation when expressed appropriately.
  • There is a mention of the technique of separation of variables, which may reduce the TDSE to an eigenvalue problem in the spatial variable.

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Participants express differing views on whether solutions to the TDSE can be considered eigenvalue solutions, with some arguing they cannot, while others suggest that certain solutions may qualify under specific conditions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the classification of these solutions.

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Participants highlight the importance of definitions and the context in which the equations are applied, indicating that the classification of solutions may depend on the specific mathematical treatment and assumptions made.

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David A. B. Miller's book titled 'Quantum Mechanics for Scientists and Engineers' has an incocsistency
Section 3.3 titled 'Solutions of the time-dependent Schrödinger equation' states in its 1st line that the time-dependent solution is not an eigenvalue equation:

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The same section ends with a comment on eigenstates:

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How do you reconcile this: are solutions to the time-dependent equation eigenvalue solutions or not?
 
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wirefree said:
are solutions to the time-dependent equation eigenvalue solutions or not?
They are not.
The book is saying that the time-independent Schrödinger equation is an eigenvalue equation: We are solving for functions ##\psi(x)## that satisfy ##\hat{H}\psi=E\psi## where ##E## is a constant.

The time-dependent Schrödinger equation is a differential equation: We are solving for functions ##\psi(x,t)## that satisfy ##\hat{H}\psi=\hat{E}\psi## where ##\hat{E}## is the operator ##\hat{E}=i\hbar\frac{\partial}{\partial t}##.

The connection between the two is that if ##\psi(x)## is a eigenfunction solution of the time-independent equation with eigenvalue ##E##, then ##\psi(x,t)=\psi(x)e^{iEt/\hbar}## is a solution of the time-dependent equation.
 
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Nugatory said:
The connection between the two is that if ##\psi(x)## is a eigenfunction solution of the time-independent equation with eigenvalue ##E##, then ##\psi(x,t)=\psi(x)e^{iEt/\hbar}## is a solution of the time-dependent equation.
The operator E in the time-dependent version, as well as the operator H in the time-independent version, is a differential operator: former of time, and latter of space.
So, they both clearly result in differential equations.

The question becomes: what makes one an eigenvalue problem?

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wirefree said:
The question becomes: what makes one an eigenvalue problem?
The eigenvalue problem for a given operator is finding the vectors that are mapped to a scalar multiple of themselves by that operator. So the time-independent Schrödinger equation is an eigenvalue equation because ##E## is a scalar.
 
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Nugatory said:
The eigenvalue problem for a given operator is finding the vectors that are mapped to a scalar multiple of themselves by that operator.
That is indeed the definition of an eigenvalue problem.

Why does one type of differential equation lead to such a situation, while the other doesn't?
 
wirefree said:
That is indeed the definition of an eigenvalue problem.

Why does one type of differential equation lead to such a situation, while the other doesn't?
The "value" in eigenvalue refers to a number. Like the ##\lambda## in ##M\vec v = \lambda \vec v##. This linear algebra extends to function spaces, where the matrix (##M##) becomes an operator, as in ##\hat T \psi(x) = \lambda \psi(x)##.

The TDSE is of the form: ##\frac {\partial} {\partial t} \psi(x, t) = \hat T \psi(x, t)##. This is not an eigenvalue problem, but a more general operator equation. The technique of separation of variables, however, reduces the problem to an eigenvalue problem in the spatial variable.
 
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wirefree said:
are solutions to the time-dependent equation eigenvalue solutions or not?
Some solutions of time-dependent Schrödinger equation may in fact be eigenvalue solutions of time-independent Schrödinger equation as well, if you allow such an informality as to substitute ##\Psi(r,t)## into an equation which normally expects ##\psi(r)##.

Others are not, but may be expressed as linear combinations of those solutions which are eigenvalues (in the sense I discussed in the above paragraph).

PS: I like QMSE book of Miller and IMO he is a great teacher.
 
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