My rough idea on a near light drive

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The discussion revolves around the concept of a near-light drive, specifically using a hypothetical scenario involving a weight inside a trash can to explore ideas related to motion and momentum in space. Participants examine the implications of conservation of momentum and the feasibility of such a drive in a microgravity environment.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes a model involving a trash can with a 10 kg weight that, when thrown, would move the can, suggesting a similar principle could apply in space.
  • Another participant argues that the motion of the weight inside the trash can cannot induce movement of the trash can itself, emphasizing the need for friction to initiate movement.
  • A later reply reiterates that the weight's motion would not result in external movement of the system, questioning the initial premise of the proposed drive.
  • Some participants mention the conservation of momentum in isolated systems as a critical concept that challenges the feasibility of the proposed idea.
  • One participant suggests that the concept resembles a "reactionless drive," which is deemed impossible and against the forum guidelines.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the initial proposal, with some asserting that the concept violates fundamental physics principles. The discussion does not reach a consensus, as differing views on the feasibility of the proposed drive remain unresolved.

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Participants reference the conservation of momentum and the implications of motion in an isolated system, indicating potential limitations in the original idea. The discussion also touches on the concept of reactionless drives, which are generally considered impossible within the framework of known physics.

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Lets just get straight into it. Think of a big trash can with a 10 kg weight inside, Now if you were too throw the weight at one side of the trash can it would move the can, now let's think of that in space. If you had a large cylinder with a rod in the middle. On that said rod is an object that can change its mass, that object can be slid across said rod too either side, doing the same think but in micro gravity making it accelerate constantly with each pound. Now I know this is not perfect.
Please add too this idea.
 
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Sorry. No motion of a weight inside your trash can will induce exterior movement in the trash can/weight system.

Think about this: how will you get your 10kg weight moving in the first place? You'll need to create friction with the trash can to move the weight forward. That will push the trash can backwards.
 
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MoistOxi said:
Summary:: Let's just get straight into it. Think of a big trash can with a 10 kg weight inside, Now if you were too throw the weight at one side of the trash can it would move the can, now let's think of that in space. If you had a large cylinder with a rod in the middle. On that said rod is an object that can change its mass, that object can be slid across said rod too either side, doing the same think but in micro gravity making it accelerate constantly with each pound. Now I know this is not perfect.

Please add too this idea.
Read up on the subject of Conservation of Momentum in an Isolated System and you will see where you are going wrong. It's a common misconception by folks who are new to science. :smile:
 
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Sorry. No motion of a weight inside your trash can will induce exterior movement in the trash can/weight system.

Think about this: how will you get your 10kg weight moving in the first place? You'll need to create friction with the trash can to move the weight forward. That will push the trash can backwards.
The weight would move back and forth, it would accelerate and decelerate but the acceleration forward would yield a higher speed by a small amount many times creating a slow acceleration. (If this doesn't fix it, I accept my defeat as others are more scientifically erudite.)
 
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(If this doesn't fix it, I accept my defeat as others are more scientifically erudite.)
No it doesn't fix it. Try doing the search I suggested, and here is the Wikipedia article to get you started:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Momentum#Conservation
 
This is a "reactionless drive" style device, similar to a perpetual motion machine. It isn't possible, and in addition to violating the laws of physics, it is against PF guidelines. More information here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reactionless_drive

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