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The discussion centers on the peculiar fizzing noise emitted by a difluoroethane gas duster when placed on a hard surface. Users observed that the sound occurs only when the can is stationary, suggesting a relationship between the can's position and the sound production. Theories proposed include the possibility of trapped air escaping from under the can's convex base and the effects of thermal conductivity between the can and the countertop. Additionally, it was noted that placing the can on its side eliminated the fizzing noise, indicating that the sound is not solely related to the gas inside the can.

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Why does a gas duster "fizz" when put down but stop when held?
While using an ordinary gas duster (difluoroethane) to clean some electronics, I noticed something weird (see linked videos):
  • After spraying the gas duster and placing it on a hard surface e.g. countertop, the can emits a fizzing noise.
  • Picking up the can causes the fizzing to stop.
  • The process is repeatable i.e. putting the can down starts the fizzing again. This occurs even if the can is placed down very gently.
  • The duster can feels cold to touch, but not painfully so. I'd estimate the can surface temperature as between 0 and 10 C.
  • Difluoroethane has a normal boiling point of -25 C, but the can is pressurized so it could be liquid inside.
  • The fizzing sounds similar to a soft drink, suggesting that the contents could be liquid with some gas bubbles inside.
This is counterintuitive. If the difluoroethane is normally a cold liquid, the heat of my hand or motion of lifting it could vaporize some and cause it to bubble. But what I observe is the exact opposite: removing the hand causes fizzing, while holding the can makes the fizzing stop.

What is going on here?

Gas duster video 1
Gas duster video 2
 
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Is it possible that the hissing is not coming from the can per se, but from the condensation trapped under the convex base? Set the can down, trapped air escapes; lift the can up, no trapped air.
 
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DaveC426913 said:
Is it possible that the hissing is not coming from the can per se, but from the condensation trapped under the convex base? Set the can down, trapped air escapes; lift the can up, no trapped air.

I tried placing the can on its side instead of vertically and sure enough, the noise went away! But this raises another question... while I have no doubt that water is condensing under the convex base, typically condensing water doesn't make the fizzing/bubbling noise that can be heard in the video. Here's a new video with the can on its side.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/ips3kutWC3hCKHFz7
 
PuzzledMonkey said:
... typically condensing water doesn't make the fizzing/bubbling noise that can be heard in the video.
I was thinking in terms of it bubbling through the imperfect seal between the can and the table.
 
This is likely due to the fact that the countertop has a much larger thermal mass and thermal conductivity to air. More heat equals more boiling. Does placing your hand on the bottom also cause the hissing sound?

BoB
 
Obviously Satan is in that can!
 
Here is another gas duster mystery: Where does the hissing sound comes from?



(Sorry, I really had another definition of a 'gas duster' when reading the title. It might not be ordinary, but it uses a lot of gas and a blower is involved! :smile:)
 
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jack action said:
Here is another gas duster mystery: Where does the hissing sound comes from?
Sounds like the Gilmer belt (toothed belt) driving the blower. (or a bearing about to seize!)
 

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