Nakanishi proves 2-d string theories inconsistent(?)

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The discussion revolves around claims made by Nakanishi regarding the inconsistency of 2-dimensional string theories, particularly focusing on the concept of anomaly cancellation in quantum field theories (QFT) and its implications for string theory. Participants explore the validity of Nakanishi's arguments and the responses from other theorists, including critiques of his reasoning and the established understanding of anomalies in QFT.

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Main Points Raised

  • Nakanishi claims that the anomaly cancellation in superstring theory is only meaningful if the corresponding QFT has a gravitational anomaly, which he argues is not the case based on his analysis of T-product and T*-product quantities.
  • Some participants, including Lubos Motl, strongly criticize Nakanishi's claims, asserting that they are fundamentally flawed and that the existence of gravitational and gauge anomalies is well-established in effective field theories.
  • Motl argues that Nakanishi's paper has significant errors related to Hamiltonian formalism and gauge invariance, which undermine its conclusions about anomalies.
  • Another participant questions whether Nakanishi's argument, if valid, would actually demonstrate inconsistency in 2D string theory or merely challenge one proof of anomaly-free-ness.
  • There is curiosity about the specifics of Nakanishi's claims, including the nature of T-products and T*-products, and whether the distinction was recognized by earlier theorists like Witten.
  • Some participants express skepticism about the credibility of Motl's responses, indicating a divide in how his critiques are perceived.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus; there are competing views on the validity of Nakanishi's claims and the critiques provided by Motl. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of Nakanishi's arguments for 2D string theories.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential limitations in understanding the nuances of T-product and T*-product quantities, as well as the implications of anomaly cancellation in different dimensions of string theory. The discussion reflects ongoing debates in theoretical physics without settling the questions raised.

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From Peter Woit's http://www.math.columbia.edu/~woit/wordpress/?p=643#comments"
some guy named Nakanishi claims to have proven that 2-d string theories are inconsistent:


question:
Eric Says:

Kevin,
The main reason for string theory being considered the ‘leading’ (really, the only) contender for a theory of everything is that it is presently the only known way to consistently combine gravity with quantum mechanics. String theory only works because of number of nearly miraculous anomaly cancellations. It is because of this that it is studied, despite the fact that it has not yet been possible to make definitive experimental predictions.

answer:
# N. Nakanishi Says:
January 29th, 2008 at 10:59 pm

Eric,
I believe the anomaly cancellation in superstring is a meaningful condition only if the corresponding QFT has gravitational anomaly. The existence of gravitational anomaly in QFT was claimed by Alvarez-Gaume and Witten (Nucl. Phys. B 234 (1984) 269), but their reasoning contained a serious mistake: They were not aware of the fundamental difference between T-product quantities and T*-product ones. Both coincide for chiral current but not for energy-momentum tensor, because the expression for the latter contains time differentiation. The genuine anomaly must be considered for T-product quantities, but what they considered are T*-product ones,
because only T*-product quantities can be calculated by Feynman integrals and path integrals. I have explicitly shown in the 2dimensional case that what they called gravitational anomaly arises from the difference between T-product and T*-product. Thus,
at least in the 2-dimensional case, the gravitational anomaly in the genuine sense is non-existent in QFT. It is quite likely that the same is true in the 10-dimensional case.
B. Schroer completely agreed with me.
For details, see Abe and Nakanishi, Prog. Theor. Phys. 115 (2006) 1151 or arXiv hep-th/0503172 v2.

Back to the drawing board?
 
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Back to the drawing board?

Lubos Motl replied:

Dear metamars, I don't know what all string theorists would say. I only know what sane string theorists say about it. They will say that what is written above is 100% rubbish.

First of all, a UV-complete QFT by definition doesn't contain gravity. Second of all, the existence of gravitational and gauge anomalies in anomalous effective field theories is an established fact well beyond any sensible doubts and the comments above don't exceed confused comments of a generic anti-talented student who should be failed in her QFT II or III course because this is where the folks should learn how to compute anomalies. It can be done in many a priori inequivalent ways and all of them agree.

The paper by Abe and Nakanishi has all the 1-loop contributions to everything wrong - because it uses an incorrect Hamiltonian formalism where the required gauge invariance of the physical states is largely neglected - so it is not surprising that it can "derive" wrong anomalies (it's just like neglecting FP ghosts or divergent 1-loop diagrams in general). If you can't follow what I am saying, note that after 2 years, the paper still has 0 citations. I wrote above that paper, very politely, when it appeared here:

http://motls.blogspot.com/2005/03/false-anomalies.html anomalies.html

See also my analysis of a day in hep-th where stupid papers happened to be contributed both by Nakanishi and Schroer:

http://motls.blogspot.com/2007/11/hep-th-papers-on-friday.html friday.html

Did you copy it from a crackpot forum? I guess so. On the other hand, it doesn't surprise me that Mr Schroer doesn't understand why anomalies exist in QFT either - much like hundreds of other basic things about quantum theory.

I don't know why you think that there's something wrong with 2D string theories and how is this surprising statement related to the silly quotations that you added.
 
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But if this were true, it wouldn't demonstrate 2D string theory "inconsistent", would it? It would only invalidate one proof of anomoly-free-ness.

Very interesting either way, I would love to see some explanation of what this means and some people weighing in on whether Nakanishi's argument is valid. For example, why were Witten et al "not aware of the fundamental difference between T-product quantities and T*-product ones" as Nakanishi claims? Was this divergence between the two products something which was discovered only more recently? Heck, what is a T-product?

Unfortunately I do have to say I have a lot of trouble taking anything Lubos Motl says seriously at face value.
 

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