Name of the set of negative integers

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The discussion revolves around the naming or representation of the set of negative integers within the context of mathematical notation and conventions. Participants explore the relationships between different sets of integers, particularly focusing on how negative integers are denoted or if they have a specific name.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that while N typically represents natural numbers (non-negative integers), Z represents all integers, but there is no widely accepted name for the set of negative integers.
  • One participant mentions various notations used to specify subsets of integers, such as \(\mathbb{Z}^-\) for negative integers, but questions the need for a distinct name.
  • Another participant expresses frustration that negative integers do not have a name independent of their relationship to Z.
  • There is a discussion about the conventions surrounding the definition of natural numbers, with some asserting that N often denotes positive integers, which complicates the naming issue.
  • One participant references Euler's view that includes 0 in the set of natural numbers, suggesting a lack of consensus on definitions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that there is no strong convention for naming the set of negative integers, and multiple competing views exist regarding the definitions of natural numbers and their implications for naming sets.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in the naming conventions for sets of integers, particularly the ambiguity surrounding the definitions of natural numbers and the absence of a standardized name for negative integers.

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I know that N (natural numbers) is the set of non-negative integers, 0, 1, 2, 3, 4...infinity, and that Z is the set of all integers, both positive and negative. But what is the name or representation of the set of negative integers?
 
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I don't recall seeing it given a specific name. I sometimes see decorations like
\def\ZZ{\mathbb{Z}} \ZZ^+ \, \ZZ^> \, \ZZ^{\geq} \, \ZZ^- \, \ZZ^{\leq}​
to specify various subsets of the integers (the positive elements, the elements greater than 0, the elements greater-than-or-equal-to zero, et cetera).
 
Ugh, it would seem logical that it would have a name independent of denoting a particular part of Z.
 
G037H3 said:
Ugh, it would seem logical that it would have a name independent of denoting a particular part of Z.

Yeah, it really doesn't have one. Frankly it's more common to pull an element n from N and write -n, rather than pull an element m from \mathbb{Z}^{<} and write m.
 
G037H3 said:
Ugh, it would seem logical that it would have a name independent of denoting a particular part of Z.
Why would that seem logical? What do you perceive as the reason for "naming" sets of numbers?
 
HallsofIvy said:
Why would that seem logical? What do you perceive as the reason for "naming" sets of numbers?

Because the negative integers are not the non-negative integers?
 
Actually N often denotes the positive integers, which again begs the question of why does labeling any set of numbers matter at all.
 
snipez90 said:
Actually N often denotes the positive integers, which again begs the question of why does labeling any set of numbers matter at all.

There is no strong convention, but Euler considers 0 to be part of the set of natural numbers; I'll go with him on it ;)
 

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