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NASA Scientist Fired - Promises Disclosure

  1. Nov 2, 2007 #1
    Not sure what to make of this one. Its a very popular recent story on various websites.

    obviously its a quite far fetched sounding story, but it is being made by people who acually worked at NASA. The fact there is a book being written on this does not help his cause either. But that is no real reason to discount his allegtions. If that were true i might aswell never read another book.

    main story from http://english.pravda.ru/science/mysteries/99895-moon-0

    First reported on the net here; http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/news_press_release,204242.shtml
    and then here http://www.sys-con.com/read/450055.htm and here; http://www.enterprisemission.com/NPC2007.htm


    I also noticed that “Dark Mission: The Secret History of NASA” is currently #230 in world top sellers, and is the number one on Amazon’s list for “Astronomy,” and “Space Science” and many other categories.


    Surely someone who makes allegations such as this should be sued by NASA, not just fired from their job and left to continue?
     
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  3. Nov 2, 2007 #2

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    RA, none of those links are legitimate news sources. Do you have any legitimate sources? I'm busy right now and no legitimate sources come up for this. If you don't have any, I'm deleting the thread.

    Anyone can go nuts, what or who they used to be means nothing. Good example is that astronaut that drove cross country with adult diapers, a wig, trench coat, mallet, etc...
     
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  4. Nov 2, 2007 #3
    On the NASA safety report... there are many news services carrying this already... They claim that some of this data is going to be purged at the same time as the other data reported in the mainstream press.

    AP Broke the story so this is mainstream...
    U.S. government hides alarming air-safety report
    Rita Beamish | The Associated Press October 23, 2007 http://www.orlandosentinel.com/business/custom/tourism/orl-airsafety2307oct23,0,575234.story

    NASA mum on plane data that might scare you
    CNN - http://edition.cnn.com/2007/TRAVEL/10/22/nasa.air.safety.ap/

    NASA won't disclose air safety survey
    YAHOO NEWS http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071022/ap_on_re_us/air_safety_secrets

    NASA refuses to release flight safety survey results
    ABC http://www.abcnews.go.com/WN/story?id=3765351


    They dont seem to want to deal with the recent Ken Johnston incident in the mainstream media, but he was definately sacked. Whether it was for that reason we will have to wait and see what he says. I am looking into this a bit more, i'm sure theres more info on him, but it is a very recent story. If Ken Johnston has actually said this, it is a big story.
     
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  5. Nov 2, 2007 #4

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    As I thought, this has nothing to do with finding ancient ruins on the moon. :rolleyes:

    Common sense dictates that the moon is not now, or has ever been habitable. PF is not the place to be bringing up all of these nonsensical things you seem to want to post.

    May I suggest that PF is not the place for you and your beliefs? I think there are many online forums where your findings would be greatly welcome. We are a scientific community and honestly, we just don't have the time or desire to keep debunking this nonsense.
     
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    Good work detective Zooby.
     
  8. Nov 2, 2007 #7
    i'm not quite sure how you deduced my what my beliefs are from the post, i was asking you about what your interpretaion of this story was. I did not say at any time that i believed it, i just relayed the facts that i have seen online for you to critique, as i could not find an answer to this myself.

    Thanx zoobyshoe for claifying that. Its so hard to separate fact from fiction these days with the amount of crap circulating the web. But i am curious as to why NASA does not do more to refute allegations such as these. The book is now rapidly becoming an international bestseller and NASA must be fully aware of the allegations. Their public relations department must be pretty depressed, as millions of people now think that NASA is engaged in an ongoing cover-up about bases on the moon and alien techonology. Cases such as Gary Mckinnons dont help their image, whether he did actually find what he claimed, or not. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_McKinnon

    I suppose it depends on how seriously you take the claims
     
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  9. Nov 2, 2007 #8

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    RA, it's from every single one of your threads, which are always prefaced with "not that I believe this, but..." RA, we didn't fall off the turnip truck yesterday.

    PF is NOT the place to be reposting every scam and fraud you find on the internet. Honestly, I'd suggest you stop this now. We have a rule against posting crackpottery.
     
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  10. Nov 2, 2007 #9
    As far as I have seen, despite the fact you bring up a lot of questionable subjects, you've never been the least bit resistant to being corrected or having things explained by hard science. I think that's great and I don't understand why anyone else is bothered.
     
  11. Nov 2, 2007 #10

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    Why should NASA waste their time refuting such outrageous allegations? Most people have the sense to know it's complete nonsense, and NASA knows that nothing they say or do will change the opinions of the conspiracy nuts...attempting to refute it would just be taken by them as more evidence of a cover up.

    As long as we have the First Amendment, people are free to publish books filled with nonsense. It's a trade-off we have to accept to ensure those who publish factual information are free to do so as well.
     
  12. Nov 2, 2007 #11

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    Because we aren't here for the purpose of debunking already debunked internet scams.

    If it is something with true scientific merit worth investigating, that's one thing, when it's nonsense that can be easily looked up on snopes or skepdic or quackwatch or any other number of credible debunking sites, there is no reason to post it here.
     
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  13. Nov 2, 2007 #12

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    Wow, you're right man. I never thought about that before.
    I agree; it irritates me when I see people that say "PLEASE DEBUNK THIS! I KNOW IT IS A HOAX BUT I DON'T KNOW WHY"—as if they are holding the blind belief. Know what I mean? So that it comes that the day we actually see x, we'll blow it off without any reason behind our decision: "WE KNOW IT'S NOT TRUE BECAUSE EVERYBODY WAS WRONG BEFORE"
     
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  14. Nov 2, 2007 #13
    it just seems odd to me that nasa seems not bothered at all the the majority of the population now thinks they were created by the NAZI's and Mr Von Braun and part of an ongoing conspiracy to conceal the 'truth' (whatever that may be, depends who you read).

    I have noted your point evo, and will try to refrain from posting anything that is against established opinion. I do try consider this when i post. I have the impression you think i have some sort of agenda behind my posts. Well i can assure you now that i dont have an agenda i have always had an inquisitive mind ever since i was young, thats why i decided on my physics and philosophy degree and why i choose to spend much of my time on the internet working out a lot of these claims. Never in history has a communicton system this powerful been created, so it does follow that new things will be found out on the internet that have not been public before.
     
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  15. Nov 2, 2007 #14
    That is a valid point. They would stand the chance of making the situation worse by refuting the stories, but surely there comes a time when public opinion has been changed so much they have to respond, no matter how outrageous the allegations are.
     
  16. Nov 2, 2007 #15

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    Because it's NOT a majority of the population that believes those conspiracy theories by a long shot. It's really pretty simple online...if it smells like B.S., it probably is B.S.
     
  17. Nov 2, 2007 #16
    You cant really claim these are minority opinions anymore when amazon ranks this book so higly in sales.


    That is a heck of a popular book for a book that is not endorsed by the majority of the population. It might all be rubbish, but it is still very damaging to NASA, and in my opinion they should respond in some way to put this all to rest.
     
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  18. Nov 2, 2007 #17

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    It may have a lot of sales, but that doesn't make it a majority buying it. What's the current population of the US, and what's the number of sales of that book? You're also assuming everyone buying it believes what it says. Some may be reading it out of curiousity, or for humor, or because they didn't realize what they were buying until they got it and started reading and realized how nuts it is.

    You seem to be the only one here making the claim it's damaging to NASA. Here's the only response you need on it...it's untrue. There. Done. End of story. Why should NASA waste our tax money to respond to a bunch of nuts?
     
  19. Nov 3, 2007 #18
    Wait.... you're telling me we did go to the moon?!
     
  20. Nov 3, 2007 #19
    There were no diapers :(
     
  21. Nov 3, 2007 #20

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    Oh, man! They weren't supposed to find those. Darn! Our cover is blown. I told them we should have gone to the dark side. :grumpy: But Nooooo. Those Grebulons never listen.

    Ancient ruins of artificial origin?! Who comes up with this stuff?
     
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