Natural broadening of lithium sub-levels

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The discussion revolves around the natural broadening of lithium sub-levels, specifically focusing on the 2p state and its fine structure components. Participants are comparing Doppler broadening with natural broadening at a temperature of 700K, utilizing the lifetime of the 2p state and relevant equations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the derivation of natural broadening using the uncertainty principle and question the validity of their calculations. There is an exploration of converting energy differences to frequency differences and the implications of using different variables in the equations.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing insights and corrections regarding the relationships between energy, wavelength, and frequency. Some guidance has been offered on how to approach the calculations more effectively, although there is no explicit consensus on the final interpretation of the results.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the constraints of homework rules and are attempting to reconcile their calculations with the expected orders of magnitude for Doppler and natural broadening.

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Homework Statement


In the 2p state of lithium, two fine structure components are formed due to spin-orbit interaction. They produce wavelengths of 670.960nm and 670.975nm. Compare Doppler and natural broadening at 700K. The lifetime of the 2p state is 27ns and \frac{\Delta \lambda}{\lambda} ~= \frac{\Delta \nu}{\nu} at \frac{\Delta \nu}{\nu} << 1

Homework Equations



Given Doppler broadening: \Delta \nu = \frac{2 \nu_{0}}{c}\sqrt{\frac{2KT}{M}*ln(2)}

The Attempt at a Solution


My Natural broadening derivation:
uncertainty principle: \Delta E \tau = \hbar (tau is lifetime)
so \Delta \lambda = 2 \pi c \tau (which comes out as ~50m)
This is clearly wrong since the doppler broadening comes out as in the order of 10^-12.

Any clues?
 
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How did you get ##\Delta \lambda## based on ##\Delta E##? That relation depends on the wavelength itself.
It is easier to convert ##\Delta E## to ##\Delta \nu##.
 
E=hc/λ
and either way (nu or lambda) the answer is stupidly large
 
E=hc/λ, but not ΔE=hc/Δλ!
$$E+\Delta E=\frac{hc}{\lambda+\Delta \lambda} \approx \frac{hc}{\lambda}(1-\frac{\Delta \lambda}{\lambda})$$
Simplified:
$$\Delta E=-\Delta \lambda \frac{hc}{\lambda^2}$$

It is easier to use relative values everywhere:
$$\frac{\Delta E}{E}=\frac{\Delta \nu}{\nu}=-\frac{\Delta \lambda}{\lambda}$$
 
Now it's so obvious!
Thanks a lot mfb!
 

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