Natural frequency of a crane dropping a car

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The discussion revolves around the natural frequency of a crane system dropping an automobile, focusing on the calculations related to natural frequency, motion of the electromagnet, and maximum tension in the cable. The scope includes theoretical and mathematical reasoning related to dynamics and oscillatory motion.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Post 1 questions whether to use the mass of \(5000\) lb or \(3000\) lb for calculating the natural frequency, depending on whether the mass is considered right before or after release.
  • Post 2 asserts that the mass right after release should be used for the natural frequency calculation and provides a formula for the motion of the electromagnet as a simple harmonic oscillator.
  • Post 3 suggests that maximum tension occurs when the mass is at rest, reiterating the condition for maximum acceleration.
  • Post 4 repeats the assertion from Post 2 regarding the mass after release and the motion equation, emphasizing the maximum tension condition again.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the approach to the problem but there is some uncertainty regarding the appropriate mass to use for the natural frequency calculation. The discussion remains unresolved on this point.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the system's behavior immediately before and after the release, as well as the definitions of maximum tension and acceleration in the context of the crane's dynamics.

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An electromagnet weighing \(3000\) lb is at rest while holding an automobile of weight \(2000\) lb in a junkyard. The electric current is turned off, and the automobile is dropped. Assuming that the crane and the supporting cable have an equivalent spring constant of \(10000\) lb/in, find the following:
(1)the natural frequency of vibration of the electromagnet, (2)the resulting motion of the electromagnet, and (3)the maximum tension developed in the cable during motion.

For (1), would it be \(\omega_n = \sqrt{\frac{10000}{5000}}\) or \(\omega_n = \sqrt{\frac{10000}{3000}}\)? Do we look at the mass right before release or right after release?
For (2), this is a simple harmonic oscillator so \(x(t) = A\cos(\omega_nt) + B\sin(\omega_nt)\).
Not sure how to do (3)
 
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For (1), you would look at the mass right after release, since this is the mass that is being accelerated by the cable.
For (2), it would be $$x(t)=-B \cos (\omega t)$$, since the mass starts from the lowest point at t=0.
For (3), remember that the maximum force (tension) occurs when the acceleration is maximum.
Can you proceed?
 
Alternatively for (3), the maximum tension will occur when the mass is at rest (this is just a restatement of the maximum acceleration criterion).
 
jacobi said:
For (1), you would look at the mass right after release, since this is the mass that is being accelerated by the cable.
For (2), it would be $$x(t)=-B \cos (\omega t)$$, since the mass starts from the lowest point at t=0.
For (3), remember that the maximum force (tension) occurs when the acceleration is maximum.
Can you proceed?

Thanks but I figured out everything yesterday.
 

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